User login

Who's online

There are currently 4 users and 33 guests online.

Online users

  • JstPlnOnry
  • GooseKaler
  • Logarithm
  • Rick

Support OlyBlog

OlyBlog is run by volunteers who care about Olympia. If you like what we're doing, make a donation:

OlyBlog is powered by:

Who's new

  • GooseKaler
  • LongRider
  • non illegitimi ...
  • acreatureapart
  • eristalis

    Creative Commons License
 
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 03/14/2006 - 5:57pm.

It looks like someone is actually checking up on how compliance is going with the new smoking ban. Perhaps not surprisingly, it isn't a state agency doing the checking, but a news organization. From Blogger KING:

“As far as enforcement goes, it’s a joke, the way it’s done,” said Dixon. The Lacey businessman echoes what many officials from health to police to prosecutors have told me: nobody wants to do the chore of enforcement.

Dixon is more blunt. Enforcing the ban is “the bastard child of the different departments. No one wants it,” he said. As far as that nearly perfect compliance rate goes, Dixon said, “That’s BS.”

»

I am not about to walk up to

I am not about to walk up to someone and say, "I am one of the 63% who voted yes on I-901. Will you please obey the law and extinguish your cigarette?"

I smoked for twelve years. I can still remember what it was like to take crap from people for it.

Smoking is bad, it's terrible. I am glad that I quit, and I think everyone should quit.

It would be nice if all smokers obeyed the law, but the reality is that they don't. This is one instance where citizen enforcers will be required.

Are you willing to enforce the ban?

»

Many if not most of the peopl

Many if not most of the people that post on this blog are on the LEFT side of most issues. With that said, the left tend to profess they want more freedoms for people. Why is it that most here are in support of the smoking ban, a reduction in freedom? In-fact many of you profess for allowing possession and personal use of illicit drugs, but yet you are hostile towards smokers, seems a bit bipolar.

I understand the health issue, but it goes further than that. Many businesses are impacted by this law that are “smoking

»

I agree with you completely,

I agree with you completely, this law is a violation of private property rights. It also takes away a persons choice as to what behaviors they condone. This is one example of how left-wing politics can be just as dangerous as right-wing politics, i.e., legislating certain peoples' values over the values of others. Until tobacco is outlawed, it is a person's choice whether or not they smoke, and a business owner's right to allow people to smoke on their privately owned property.

I also understand the health issue, and agree that there could easily be a mixture between smoking and non-smoking establishments. My sympathies here fall only on the employees of smoking establishments who don't smoke themselves, while one might say they could get another job (but where? If there are ten jobs in Olympia, there are a hundred people who want them), they are basically forced to inhale second hand smoke while on the job. This is the extent of my concern for peoples' health when it comes to smoking, it's a choice, plain and simple. I am a smoker myself, and I choose to do it despite all of the information I've read. I understand completely how hard it is to quit, but banning smoking in public is simply not going to work in the interest of public health.

We need to invest more in prevention, let's get to kids before they start smoking and give them all the facts. Show them the numbers of deaths and disease that come from smoking, and most importantly, let them make the decision on their own. Making it illegal will do nothing. Remember as a kid, when mom would tell you not to do something, told you it was against the rules? I know that for me and many others, we would do it anyway. This is life, and people need to be informed and given the freedom to make up their own minds. In my eyes, it is not the gov't's job to enforce personal choices when it comes to legal activity.

»

I think the characterization

I think the characterization of "lefties" as, basically, libertarians is a bit off-base.

I'd consider myself pretty well left of center. Personally, I believe a person should be able to do whatever they want when it affects only (or almost only) themselves. I think that prohibiting the possession and use of certain drugs is foolish. I think it turns normal people into criminals in the eyes of the law, draining police resources with no purpose, and props up black markets which hurt the economy.

That said, I also think a person should have the right to choose not to be affected by someone else's choice. When someone's decision has an affect on me, which I can't escape without being driven from activities which I would otherwise choose to pursue, then they've encroached on my freedom. I think that smoker-only bars would be perfectly acceptable, and I think that similar marijuana-oriented establishments would be fine as well. Smoking sections would be fine if they were properly separated (that is, if the cloud didn't drift over into the non-smoking section). But people should have the ability to avoid them.

Of course, the "within 20 feet" bit of this law is pretty ridiculous. Especially when I can't walk down the street without inhaling the fumes from people's tailpipes.

»

I consider myself to be prett

I consider myself to be pretty far out on the "left" side of the spectrum, but I did not vote for this crap. If people want to smoke POT on the street, I think they should be allowed to. If they want to smoke cigarettes indoors, then again I have to say, "go for it." (Civil Disobedience Style) I'm for having that freedom. If it affects the workers in the bar, it is up to them to strike or band together to buy smoke mitigation technologies. Or they could find jobs elsewhere. None of the excuses really struck a chord with me. I also voted against the trapping ordinance as well - too much cityfolk telling others how to live.

But then, I'd leave your rifles and handguns right where they are, too. I'm not your typical "leftist" I guess.

By the way, the argument that Rightists are all about Freedom? Give me a break! More taxes, bigger government, and endless war do not equal more freedom, folks. The Dept Homeland Security? Biggest new federal bureaucracy in history. The so-called tax break? Ridiculous, if you factor in the amount states will have to make up in local taxes to cover unfunded mandates. Endless war - the specialty of both Demospineless and Repugnicants - is eroding our rights to be free in so many ways it deserves its own blog, not to mention a new thread.
»

Ye who resist I-901 knoweth n

Ye who resist I-901 knoweth not the evileth which hath pervadeth the tobacco industrial goliath.

This is an opportunity to take a bite out of crime (so to speak) by making it harder for innocent individuals to support a rotten and immoral industry (namely: big tobacco.)

On that note:
g'day!

»

I'm fully aware that the Corp

I'm fully aware that the Corporations which sell tobacco are perveyors of addiction and poison, but I don't see how innocent people support Big Tobaccy by being in a bar with smoke. It's no secret, the general public knows that cigarettes are poison, and having a ban on public smoking is not going to help one bit - any more than the prohibition of marijuana helps make sure THAT drug is pure when you buy it from your local organized crime figure.

If you're trying to sound like a puritan in fun, OK. Otherwise, WTF?
»

I have revealed my inner fasc

I have revealed my inner fascist tendencies. Behold!

The problem here, of course, is that tobacco is toxic/deadly - and no thanks to the practices of the tobacco companies.

I heard this in passing - so I don't know if there is any truth to it, but supposedly, in the 18th century, tobacco companies teamed up with sugar companies and began treating tobacco with sugar. The tobacco that is processed with the sugar is supposedly more carcinogenic than regular tobacco.

Of course, this could be a marketing ploy, designed to spread through the rumor mill by additive free tobacco producers. But it does make you think.

Drugs can be very harmful when used irresponsibly. That's all I am saying.

»

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

OlyBlog.net

OlyBlog is devoted to citizen journalism, including hyperlocal news and discussion specifically about Olympia, Washington. If you care about this community and are tired of corporate media, then this is the place for you.

If you'd like to contribute, please register for an account. Here is a list of local news beats that need to be covered. You can post your news as a personal blog entry, and it will be reviewed (and possibly edited) for promotion to the front page. Once you've established a record of responsible blogging, you can become an autonomous user. You can also send news via email. All members of OlyBlog agree to abide by our comment and fair use policies. If you are frustrated about something said in a comment thread, go here.

Now playing at:

Get Firefox!


More Flickr photos tagged with "olympia" and "washington"

OlyBlog is a site for news and discussion about Olympia, Washington.
free hit counter