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Submitted by Rick on Tue, 11/15/2005 - 5:58pm.
Don't forget the bit about keeping an open mind. If you want to hear the same old stereotypes and name calling, turn on Fox News, Air America, Rush Limbaugh, etc. This is a place for a different kind of conversation.
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I'm interested in this debate
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 11/15/2005 - 6:37pm.More or Less Gov't: More "
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 10:18am.More "good" government, less "bad" government. Okay, does that sound good everyone? Then let's make it a deal. (I grin facetiously.)
Personally, I think the government could spend less time giving handouts to big business. Why is it that 60% of american businesses don't pay income tax? What's the deal? The American wealthy elite may complain about a welfare state, but the fact is, big business is suckling on the tit of big government worse than any social group.
Just look at what Halliburton has thus far gotten away with in Iraq. This is Dick Cheney's company Halliburton, the VP of TUSA, and what do you know? - the company is awarded a no-bid contract to service and re-build the oil infrastructure in Iraq. What's up with that? Insider politics? The American Way? Is it right?
I don't think it's right. I think it's insider politics, not for the benefit of the American people, and I think it is increasingly becoming the American Way.
I appreciate social services, like police, fire, emergency medical care, but these could all be better, more effective. We need more money for law enforcement in this country, more training, better pay, better hours. Personally, I would like to see a major crackdown on speeders, the speed limits need to be enforced. I often feel unsafe as a pedestrian or while bicycling around some of this area's drivers. It would be nice to nail those drivers for being threatening. In this area, as far as I am concerned, go government.
I think the government could do a much better job of ensuring that we - and our descendents just as importantly, have access to clean air and water as well.
These are just some thoughts off the top of my head, which I wanted to share.
Rob W: The American wealthy e
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 12:24pm.The Fire: I agree completely with you. The government should not be handing out welfare of any kind, whether it's to the individual or to a business.
Rob W: The company is awarded a no-bid contract to service...
The Fire: I disagree with you on this ONLY because a no-bid contract, when necessary, cuts through much of the red tape. Of course, eliminating the red tape altogether would eliminate the need to award a no-bid contract. You do know Haliburton has been awarded no-bid contracts in the past, before President Bush came into office, right? I would hardly call it a conspiracy but rather a strong business relationship (between the government and Haliburton).
Fire said: The government sh
Submitted by Sarah on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 12:55pm.So government should not offer a helping hand to those less fortunate? To a disabled person who wants to work but cannot? To a survivor of domestic violence with a large family who isn't yet able to fully support the family? To some one laid off, evicted through no fault of their own, and ill? To children in the foster care system?
All of these needs can be ful
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 1:10pm.When an organization is run privately it is usually more efficient and produces better results than the government. Simply put, they have to work for their funding. Rob mentioned earlier how he is doing the best he can with the budget he has. I'm more than willing to bet Rob, with a self-described nearly non-existant budget, produces far more on the dollar than just about any government agency doing similar work.
What I'm faced with in trying
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 2:09pm.I do agree that we at B&R do a better job of serving people than government agencies could, mostly, I think, because we don't think of people as numbers, we think of people as people. As a full time staff person at B&R I get room and board at our staff house and a $200/month stipend. We put roughly 90% of our total money into the services that we provide. We'd like to have more for our staff, such as medical and dental, or larger stipends, but we aren't willing to scale our services back in order to do it. Our primary focus is on getting people housed, and we do well at it. The problem with relying on private donations is that it is hard to plan for the future. Private donations are not reliable. Grants are. When Katrina hit we had hard times because people were donating money to the relief efforts instead of giving money to us. I don't blame people for giving money to Katrina victims, it's a noble cause. My point is that right now the reliable funding sources are through government grants. Most private grants are one time only, and never cover operational costs. The government grant that we have through HUD is what pays our rent and keeps our advocacy center alive. Likewise, citizens who donate don't like to donate money for office supplies or rent, they want their money to go to direct services. So it's a challenge to juggle all of our expenses when we don't have a reliable funding source.
With less government and more
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 5:11pm.For instance, right now people can say, "Oh, well, government already does that." If the people played a greater role, though, you could use a medium such as The Olympian and say, "Hey everyone, we're not getting this funding." Then, the community could blame nobody but themselves.
As it is right now, though, people point the finger at government for any problem, simply because government has assumed such a large role that if there is a problem in society it's their (government) job to correct it.
As you said, government money is guaranteed and private money is not. I think, however, that if government had a decreased role and the private citizen (a) had more of their own money to use and (b) knew the void would not be filled by government they would be far more likely to help out with an organization such as B&R, since the responsibility could not be pawned off to anyone but themselves.
As I said before, I think ultimately we want to see the same goal achieved, we just have a vastly different way of getting there. Imagine what an organization such as B&R could do if they had the money which currently goes to fill government coffers. I have every bit of confidence, and you have reaffirmed for me, that the private sector can do a far more efficient job of handling most any market than their public counterparts.
I do not agree that all those
Submitted by Sarah on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 4:35pm.I agree, which is why there s
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 4:37pm.None of this could happen tomorrow.
Our forefather intended for a
Submitted by FPK1 on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 5:03pm.Whatever Halliburton's prior
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 4:13pm.The contracts should have gone to other recipients. Same with Bechtel. The contractors should be forced, immediately to submit bids in an open process, so the american tax payer is assuredly not being ripped off.
Personally, I have a much bigger problem with welfare and subsidary going to fatcats who smoke imported cigars and drive luxury cars - than with welfare to help single mothers, and disabled people just get by, or rehabilitate.
Rob W., you act like this is
Submitted by FPK1 on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 5:05pm.I don't think this type of co
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 5:18pm.There were certainly simpler times when human society was more solid. Maybe there are too many of us, we are a nation of people spread over too large an area to recognize or achieve any degree of real solidarity.
Unless there is a revolution, or revelation of obeyance to a system of higher ethical standards, to a higher moral code. We need to spend more on the welfare of our collective humanity...
Rob, look at the values we ha
Submitted by FPK1 on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 5:33pm.Forgive my typing skills, I r
Submitted by FPK1 on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 5:07pm.Rick, First let me say tha
Submitted by Deep Diver on Tue, 11/15/2005 - 6:49pm.Rick,
First let me say that I hope you will wield the sword fairly regardless of political affiliation with respect to the warning at the start of this thread. I get the sense you will.
Rick, everyone in this blog h
Submitted by FPK1 on Tue, 11/15/2005 - 6:51pm.Is changing another's opinion
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 11/15/2005 - 7:12pm.I admit, folks are pretty far
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 11/15/2005 - 7:23pm.Nobody is trying to change op
Submitted by FPK1 on Tue, 11/15/2005 - 7:19pm.A suggestion: let go of the r
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 11/15/2005 - 7:24pm.If we constantly point out ea
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 11/15/2005 - 7:26pm.Ahhhh Right/wrong thing th
Submitted by Deep Diver on Tue, 11/15/2005 - 7:26pm.Ahhhh
Right/wrong thing then?
Just kidding, don't banish me!!
;-)
Snark is always welcome!
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 11/15/2005 - 7:28pm.I just wanted to comment that
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Tue, 11/15/2005 - 7:58pm.