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Submitted by Rick on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 8:24am.

From The Olympian:

OLYMPIA -- It's official: Downtown has a new revenue source to pay for safety, parking, marketing and other improvements next year.

The City Council on Tuesday unanimously passed a law creating a Parking and Business Improvement Area. Merchants in the 70-block district will pay an annual fee for the next five years, generating at least $114,000 annually.

'It's an experiment,' Councilman TJ Johnson said. 'We don't know how it's going to work. People have had strong emotions on both sides of the issue. I think it's the next step to take here.'

Businesses now have to pony up between $150 and $750.

The names of businesses that don't pay in 30 days will be forwarded to a collection agency. The fine will double and the late payment will be reflected on the merchant's loan history.

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This sounds like the opposite

The BID sounds like the opposite of how to promote growth downtown. This seems like a much better approach.
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If I was a small business own

If I was a small business owner downtown, the BID would feel like punishment. The collection agency bit especially gets to me.

I vastly prefer the incubator idea also.

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Rick, I love it. Hit the busi

Rick, I love it. Hit the business downtown even harder. I'm sure that will stimulate things down there. I think the City Council has flat lost their minds.
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Johnson, Ware, Green, and Hye

Johnson, Ware, Green, and Hyer are the ones that are most anti-business. Hopefully Kingsbury will bring some sanity to the Council. Messmer, who knows?
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Olycop's clear disdain for me

Olycop's clear disdain for me and several other members of the City Council seems to have blinded him to the facts in this situation. Fact #1: The PBIA was created at the request of a majority of the businesses that will pay the assessment. This was not some idea hatched by the City Council. Fact #2: These businesses feel that the PBIA will improve, not degrade the business climate. This is clear from their petition and marketing materials. Fact #3: The businesses that supported the PBIA had as much diversity in type of business, size of business and location of business as those that opposed it. Fact #4: Councilemmember Hyer and incoming Councilmember Kingsbury are both business owners and strong supporters of the PBIA. I find it interesteing that Olycop, who chooses to hide the details of who he is, takes his paycheck from the public while asserting that Joe Hyer, who actually owns a business, is anti-business. Orwellian logic. Is the PBIA perfect? no. Is it an important step in revitalizing downtown? A majority of businesses seems to think so.
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Glad you posted this TJ, I di

Glad you posted this TJ, I did not know all this and it is good to have my misconceptions cleared up. Thanks!
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We have already addressed the

We have already addressed the issue of using a handle. I think it's important people be able to post without fear of backlash, especially since it's evident we have people working for the same employer (or at least associated with the same employer) with completely different points of view.

If posting under a handle is what it takes for an unfiltered opinion, so be it.

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I did not realize that the an

I did not realize that the anonymity issue has already been addressed, as I am new to the list. I understand your point about anonymity protecting against backlash, though it troubles me. We should be able to have a passionate conversation with full discosure without fear of backlash. To me, if someone is unwilling to disclose the identity behind the words they should not say (or write) them. But that's just me.
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I know you're new to the boar

I know you're new to the board. I apologize if my tone came off as if you should have known, as I am fully aware this is your first time posting (and possibly even visiting).

I also wanted to welcome you. We have already had the company of Mr. Kingsbury prior to the election, which was quite informative and enjoyable.

While we should be able to have conversation without fear of backlash, this is simply not the reality. Even if there wasn't backlash, by putting a name out in the open, it would be difficult to interact with each other in the "real world" without remembering what they posted. Of course, knowledge of who a person is can also impact our view of their opinion.

I would rather opinion and commentary be scrutinized by the merit it has rather than be shot down because of the messenger.

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By the looks of things from t

By the looks of things from the outside I would guess TJ that OlyCop is your subordinate. If what he/she says is wrong, support your position, that is what this is all about.
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Actually Olycop is not my sub

Actually Olycop is not my subordinate. Olympia has a Council/Manager form of government. The Council sets policy; the City Manager is responsible for administration of the organization. The City Council only has direct control (ie, the ability to hire and fire) the City Manager and the Police Auditor. Bottom line: Even if for some reason I or any other Councilmember wanted to retaliate against a specific employee we cannot do so.
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Tj, you must take me for a fo

Tj, you must take me for a fool. If you (council) can hire and fire a city manager, who is the Chief's boss, who is the Officer's boss, yea you can retaliate against any city employee through a chain of command. Why be concerned who Olycop is, it sounds like you have a police department employee in this blog. Listened to what he/she says. If it's B.S. call them on it. As a private citizen I enjoy hearing both sides from people that have first hand knowledge of a topic.
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Sounds like a stretch, man.

Sounds like a stretch, man.
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Eh, I can see the point. I m

Eh, I can see the point. I mean, I assume that ultimately Michels answers to the City Council and, since his officers answer to him, they ultimately answer to the City Council. A stretch? Maybe. If I were an employee it's not one I would easily dismiss, that's for sure.
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This is essentially my view a

TJ: That is essentially my view as well. What I've said is that folks can post anonymously, but that my hope is that they shouldn't feel that they have to do so, and eventually will complete the picture by letting us know who they are. And besides, what are they going to do when we have a meet up -- wear a mask?
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tj, I find it frustrating,

tj, I find it frustrating, your lack of respect for anonymity. Even in your response to Fire, it is clear that you discredit those of us who don't have a public identity. Why should it be relevant? Am I not still human? Do I have to have a big name to have a valid opinion? For those of us who aren't privileged enough to be white males, for example, it may be refreshing to be on the same playing field, level and equal with all, including "City Council Members." I would recomend that you wonder why it is someone would prefer anonymity as opposed to judging it. I'm sure that each individual has a completely valid reason that points to their individual experiences. As yours have made it clear that you've never had to worry about who you are, and whose listening when you speak up. This is a privilege that you are fortunate to enjoy every day, whether you realize it or not.
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Excellent points. I understa

Excellent points. I understand and accept why some people would wish to remain anonymous, though I personally would never do so. As far as I am concerned, anyone who steps forward with an opinion that they are willing to stand behind with their identity is on the same level as anyone else who does so, whether they are prileged or not, white or not, male or not.
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TJ, I have heard that you and

TJ, I have heard that you and the other council members listed have created alot of the animosity between OPD and the council. For some reason I feel this is a two way street.
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As you know, there are always

As you know, there are always (at least) two sides to every story. I think the animosity you reference may come from my strong belief, shared by some councilmembers and members of the community that we need to ensure greater accountability and tranparency in the police department. My feelings in this regard are based on personal experience where this has not happened, as well as multiple examples brought to me by members of the community. Unfortunately, not all members of the Olympia Police Department agree. While Olympia has many excellent police officers who have truly embraced the city's philosophy of community oriented policing, there are others that seem wedded to the old top down, us/them way of doing business. I do, however, believe things are moving the right direction. We just signed a new three year contract with the police guild, and the negotiations were much more constructive than the last round. And we are on the cusp of making improvements to the accountability system which will rely more on mediating conflicts between officers and citizens before they become big contentious issues.
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Olycop's clear disdain for me

Olycop's clear disdain for me and several other members of the City Council seems to have blinded him to the facts in this situation. Fact #1: The PBIA was created at the request of a majority of the businesses that will pay the assessment. This was not some idea hatched by the City Council. Fact #2: These businesses feel that the PBIA will improve, not degrade the business climate. This is clear from their petition and marketing materials. Fact #3: The businesses that supported the PBIA had as much diversity in type of business, size of business and location of business as those that opposed it. Fact #4: Councilemmember Hyer and incoming Councilmember Kingsbury are both business owners and strong supporters of the PBIA. I find it interesteing that Olycop, who chooses to hide the details of who he is, takes his paycheck from the public while asserting that Joe Hyer, who actually owns a business, is anti-business. Orwellian logic. Is the PBIA perfect? no. Is it an important step in revitalizing downtown? A majority of businesses seems to think so.
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Sounds like we all somewhat a

Sounds like we all somewhat agree......WHAT A MIRACLE (LOL)
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I think we should be patient.

I think we should be patient. The city council is trying this out of a lack of other practical ideas, and a belief that it will work. Personally, I hope it works.

I've talked to people involved, and they may be working on a way to get around sending businesses to collections for non-payment. If a business can't afford to pay, another business or group of businesses will provide some help. There is also talks of business mentoring for new businesses. Perhaps involving Enterprise for Equity or the Economic Development Council.

There is also a sunset clause added to the BID. In five years the council will reevaluate it.

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TJ, Like I said in an earl

TJ, Like I said in an earlier thread, Joe Hyer is the clearest thinker of the Johnson, Ware, Green, Hyer group. You don't think it's anti-business running big business out of town repeatedly? How about not doing business with companies involved with nuclear weapons?
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I don't believe that taking s

I don't believe that taking steps to promote home grown businesses over out of town businesses can be considedered anti-business. It's a fact that chain stores take money out of communities, and local businesses return money to the community. If we want a thriving downtown core we need to make sure that we promote local business ventures. This is not going to give us an immediate turnaround, but in the long run, I think it will be of greater benefit to Olympia.
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Are you sure it's "a fact" ou

Are you sure it's "a fact" out of town businesses take money out? The Miller Brewing Company seemed to put a lot of money back into the community.
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Rob, business is business. If

Rob, business is business. If one of the people that you help had the opportunity for a job even at "Walmart" would you encourage them to take it?
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Yes I would. As much as I wo

Yes I would. As much as I would hate it, I would. The reason being twofold, first, in the Olympia job market there isn't an opportunity for people to get better jobs because of a lack of training programs. Second, because I don't think it's appropriate for me to force my values on others.

I would, without a doubt, tell them about Walmart's questionable business practices, and share my views with them. I would not preach this as gospel, I would honestly try to present it in such a way as to give them the chance to form their own opinion. I would never tell someone not to take a job.

I seriously dislike the practices of some of the day-labor places as well, but I direct people to Labor Ready or Command Staffing almost daily. People need to work.

It's my long term goal to be a part of the solution to Olympia's need for good jobs. I think this starts with training or retraining workers.

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Rob, you moved way up my resp

Rob, you moved way up my respect list brother. I'm glad to hear you wouldn't let your values interfere with someone getting a job.
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I'm not sure why you refer to

I'm not sure why you refer to it as the Johnson Green Ware Hyer group. The vast majority of issues decided by the Council are decided through unanimous votes, and when they are not the groupings of who lands on which side vary depending on the issues. If you doubt me check the record. As far as "running big business out of town repeatedly" you will need to give some specific examples before we can have a constructive discussion, because I disagree with the premise. I will say that there are definitely differences between businesses - not all are good, not all are bad, and size in and of itself is only one variable. There are some excellent big businesses, and there are some really awful small ones. And as far as the nuclear free ordinance, I make no apologies for the impact it may have on particular businesses. Nuclear weapons are illegal and the US committed to eliminate all of its nuclear weapons over 35 years ago, plain and simple. I feel strongly- as do 100% of the 40+ citizens that testified at the public hearding on August 9th - that the City should not do business with companies that profit from their continuation. If the City needs to purchse goods or service X in the future, we will try to do so from a business that is not involved in nuclear weapons. How is this anti business? It is merely exchanging one supplier for another.
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From what I have read in the

From what I have read in the paper, you are the brains of the outfit, the others just follow.
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Goes to show you that you sho

Goes to show you that you shouldn't beleive everything you read in the paper. I invite you to watch the meetings yourself (in person or on TV) and draw your own conclusions.
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Yikes! The Olympian slammed

Yikes! The Olympian slammed yet again.
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Will the City be discontinuin

Will the City be discontinuing their Nextel service in the near future?

The NFZ, as supporters have admitted, is largely symbolic. The community was already pretty divided on issues such as the USS Olympia and Lakefair's "Tie a Yellow Ribbon." From my vantage point it seemed the NFZ was just adding fuel to that fire.

Also, can you direct me to where it is illegal to possess nuclear weapons?

EDIT: I also meant to ask: What if the supplier which does not "profit from [nuclear weapons]" has an inferior product? Will the City take that into account?

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The goal of the NFZ is for th

The goal of the NFZ is for the City, over time to stop doing business with companies that are involved in nuclear weapons. No, we are not planning to dump our Nextel service tomorrow. However, we know that Nextel is a subsidiary of Motorola, which is involved in nuclear weapons. So when that system needs to be replaced, the goal is to replace it with a system made by a company not involved in nuclear weapons. If there is no nuclear free company that bids on the replacement, or if this nuclear free company's bid is significantly more expensive than say Nextel's, or does not meet the City's operational needs, the ordinance allows a waiver to be granted by the City Manager, with public disclosure of the fact that we are doing business with Motorola. It is true that the community is divided over this and many other issues. Does that mean the City Council should not adrress them? Not in my view. Whether I am on the Council or not I want my elected representatives to represent the community, with all of its many voices. If government shy's away from addressing controversial issues, that pretty much locks in the status quo forever - not a good thing. As far as nuclear weapons being illegal, this is based on a ruling by the International Court of Justice from the mid-1990's. A local anti-nuclear activist that I know used this as a defense in his trial for protesting at the Bangor submarine base, and was aquitted based on the ruling. When I attended the NPT conference in New York earlier this year, it was apparent to me that most of the countries in the world agree with this statement. I find it curious that the US talks so much about "the rule of law", even using it to justify pre-emptive war, yet ignores the rule of law when it conflicts with US foreign policy objectives.
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What about the major auto mak

What about the major auto makers, I'm sure that somewhere along the line they are involved with nukes. Are we getting rid of all the cars and truck the city purchase?
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Some of the automakers (for e

Some of the automakers (for example, GM) are involved in nukes. The same policy would apply as in the Nextel example. In the future, all other things being equal, the NFZ ordinance would dictate that we purchase vehicles from companies not involved in nukes . If all things are not equal (price, quality, etc) waivers can be used to purchase from suppliers involved in nukes, with public disclosure that a waiver is being granted.
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tj: Does that mean the City C

tj: Does that mean the City Council should not address [controversial issues]?

The Fire: No, not at all. I would expect, however, for the City to tackle controversy only when necessary. The NFZ was, by and large, a completely unnecessary course of action as related to the functioning of the City of Olympia.

This is beside the fact of how many man-hours were consumed pursuing, again, a symbolic measure. As a taxpayer I find this very disturbing.

tj: As far as nuclear weapons being illegal, this is based on a ruling by the International Court of Justice from the mid-1990s.

The Fire: Did the International Court address the issue of being in possession of nuclear weapons or "the threat or use of nuclear weapons?"

tj: I find it curious that the US talks so much about the "rule of law"...yet ignores the rule of law

The Fire: To clarify, are you talking about the Non-Proliferation Treaty?

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Fire Inside: As repatedly sta

Fire Inside: As repatedly stated, the NFZ is more than symbolic. It aims to change the way the City does business. As far as it being completely unnecessary, I can understand that perspective. However, as I noted in discussion the night of the public hearing I believe there are many good reasons for local governments to get involved in this issue, ranging from the fact that cities are the most likely targets for the use of nuclear weapons (deliberate or accidental)to the fact connection between expenditures on nuclear weapons and lack of resources available to help local governments address a host of pressing social problems. As far as time and money spent on the ordinance, it was less than $2,000 out of roughly $80 million operating budget. You might consider it a waste, albeit a small one. But others that have contacted us have said it was an important investment. At any rate, its less than the City pays each year for employee overtime at Lakefair. The International Court ruling was about the possession of nuclear weapons, not their use. Yes, NPT refers to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Article 6 of that treaty, signed by the US, commits us to eliminate all of our nukes. The essence of the NPT comes in the form of a bargain. Countries that do not possess nukes agree not to acquire them. In exchange, countries with nukes agree to give them up. The NPT has done a pretty good job at stopping proliferation, and a lousy job at fostering abolition. And the fact that it has not fostered abolition is beginning to undermine its value in halting proliferation. I can see why countries such as Iran or North Korea might want to develop nuclear weapons, when they look at the US and other nuclear powers and see how many we have with no apparent commitment to following the rule of law and eliminating them. No one should have nuclear weapons, and the US should lead by example.
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TJ, NFZ is just another way f

TJ, NFZ is just another way for you to get on your soap box. We have problems within the city that the taxpayer's money needs to be spent on. From what I gather the city is having SERIOUS financial problems requiring large cuts in all departments and this how the council choose to spent our money...THANKS
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So, are you opposed to all el

So, are you opposed to all elected officials using their position as a soapbox, or just those espousing views you disagree with? Do you expect elected officials to merely carry out "the will of the people" and ignore personal convictions? If so, how do you determine "the will of the people"?
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TJ, I want my elected officia

TJ, I want my elected officials (City Council) to take care of things at home. I don't care what ANY of them think on world views. If they want to run for a higher office than do it. The best example I can think of was the way the USS Olympia was portrayed. These are a mess of guys serving their country and Olympia sent a very negative message to them. I didn't see you out front leading the Welcome Wagon. Did you let your personal views cloud your thoughts and obligation as a city official to these men?
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I understand your expectation

I understand your expectation of your elected officials, but you must realize that not everyone shares this view. Some people in the community thinks its absolutely appropriate for local elected officials to engage in issues beyond the traditional scope of local government. Are these people not entitled to representation? And the crew of the USS Olympia is always welcome in Olympia. However, to many members of the community it makes more sense if they leave their boat at Bremerton or Bangor. This is not about the people, its about the weapons.
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TJ, your logic is strange. On

TJ, your logic is strange. One of the reasons Russia didn't expand it's reign of terror is because of a boat/weapon like the USS Olympia. Do you believe that if we disarmed ourselves today Russia, China, North Korea and the others would follow suit? Nobody in here has directly answered that question yet, maybe you can be the first.
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I'll answer your question dir

I'll answer your question directly - I don't know. But it seems to me its worth trying. Announce that we are eliminating all of our weapons within say the next five years. Then challenge these other countries to do the same. See what happens. Start dismanteling our nukes. If we get to year four and there has been no commensurate reciprocation then review the situation. Worse case scenario: we tried. Best case scenario: achieving the vision of a nuclear free world. What do we have to lose? We would still have enough weapons at the end of year four to assure the destruction of the world several times over.
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Worse case scernio we get inv

Worse case scernio we get invaded due our weakened position along with losing South Korea to the North. What are you talking about. Rick talks about playing the ball and not the man but you come up with ideas that are so far out there I wonder if you are coherent.
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tj: At any rate, its less tha

tj: At any rate, its less than the City pays each year for employee overtime at Lakefair.

The Fire: Funny you mention that because, as I have heard, the City might not be putting as much employee time into Lakefair (if any at all) in the coming years. If this is indeed true I would estimate $2,000 is no small amount for the City, especially when it's being used in an attempt to create their own utopia.

tj: Yes, the NPT refers to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty

The Fire: D'oh. Too many NFZs and NPTs in the paragraph. Didn't catch it in your original posting. I found the opinion from the World Court from 1996 which deals with the "Legality of the Threat or Use of Nuclear Weapons" and "Legality of the Use by a State of Nuclear Weapons in Armed Conflict." I assume this is the opinion you're talking about.

Since we're on the subject of the NPT, I'm curious, does the NPT allow for any countries to be in possession of nuclear weapons?

None of this even begins to address the issue of whether the United States should be subordinate to the World Court and international opinion, as some of our Supreme Justices have come to believe in recent rulings.

tj: No one should have nuclear weapons, and the US should lead by example.

The Fire: Obviously you don't believe in the MAD Doctrine.

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TJ, you are living in some ty

TJ, you are living in some type of a dream world. I can see you weren't a history major. If we get rid of all of our (U.S.) nukes the rest of the world, like Russia, China and North Korea will follow suit? You are either very trusting or a complete fool to think this would happen with their track records on human rights.Maybe we can be the next country they enslave since they are so caring about their own people.
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Warning: play the ball, not t

Warning: play the ball, not the man.
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Rick, the man's philosophy in

Rick, the man's philosophy in part is running the city. All govt. leaders need to be held accountable for their actions wouldn't you agree? TJ is all for accountability. As a taxpayer he IS accountable to us. TJ is a "big boy" and can defend his own actions.
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Actually, I studied a lot of

Actually, I studied a lot of history. But perhaps the books I've read, and the thinkers that have influence me are not the same ones you have been influenced by. As far as track records on human rights, I won't defend the countries you mention. But I also won't defend what the US did to Native Americans, African Americans during slavery, or the abuses at Abu Gahraib (excuse the spelling). All human beings are capable of great beauty and great evil, independent of nationality.
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Regarding NPT, it does not de

Regarding NPT, it does not deal directly with possession of nuclear weapons, other than to committ those countries that don't have nukes to forgo getting them, and those that do to give them up. Its fair to question whether the US should be subordinate to the World Court, international treaties, or international opinion. My only point was that the US can't have it both ways, standing behind these things when they support our agenda and ignoring them when they are contrary to our agenda. Or criticizing other countries when they do the same thing. To do so undermines our credibility. And no, I don't subscribe to the MAD doctorine.
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tj: Regarding NPT, it does no

tj: Regarding NPT, it does not deal directly with possession of nuclear weapons

The Fire: So is it legal or illegal to be in possession of existing nuclear weapons? This, existing nuclear weapons and their components, is what the NFZ deals with. Unless these companies are involved in the process of creating new weapons they are not in any violation of international law and neither is the U.S.

Article VI of the NPT:

"Each of the Parties to the Treaty undertakes to pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament, and on a Treaty on general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control."

Per the U.S. State Department:

"The United States has not conducted a nuclear test explosion since 1992, and senior U.S. officials have noted there is no foreseeable need to change that policy. The United States is not producing or developing any new nuclear weapons."

It would appear the NPT is working the way it was intended, which is to move "in good faith" toward an ultimate end to nuclear arms. It seems the State Department has a handle on the situation without the City of Olympia.

Please, if I have misunderstood any of the language in the NPT you are more than welcome to correct me.

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TJ Nuke weapons are illega

TJ

Nuke weapons are illegal?

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They're WMD.

They're WMD.
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So are chemical and biologica

So are chemical and biological weapons by definition. Go ask the Kurds in Nothern Iraq if Saddam ever used WMDs.
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I realize this is hardly an a

I realize this is hardly an academic source but "Team America: World Police" is the best source, in an easy to understand format, of the difference between countries like the U.S., the UK, France, et cetera and countries like Iran and North Korea.
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TJ, From what our negotiatio

TJ, From what our negotiations team tells us the negotiations have been going well since Steve Hall became involved, and now Cathy Raymond. They also say that the Council was a bit of a problem this round, although things were settled. Many in the Union feel you act like you do towards the police dept. because the Police Officers Guild campaigned against you and Ware the last time you ran for your positions.
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Yes, Steve Hall has done a go

Yes, Steve Hall has done a good job on negotiations. In doing so he was carrying out Council policy direction. Another factor that has improved the negotiations was that the guild had some different people at the table than they did in the past. I wonder how the guild negotiators know that Council was a problem, since they were not involved in any of the meetings in which Council gave negotiating direction to the City Manager? Can you be more specific about how I "act" toward the police department? It is hard to respond to generalities. As far as the guild hit pieces directed at Ware and I two years ago, of course I didn't like them. In part because they were directed at me, but also because I generally abhor negative campaigning, especially when it comes in the last weeks of a campaign with no way to respond. However, it is important to remember that in 2000/2001 when I was first on the Council I was already pushing for more accountability and transparency - well before the guild hit ads ran. Finally, I have very good relations with several officers who have told me privately that they share some of my frustrations and that the guild does not always represent their views.
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TJ, also, the department is

TJ, also, the department is moving away from "COP", and are on to "STEP". All these acronyms don't mean much really, we are all still doing police work, and doing a damn good job of it!
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I'm unfamiliar with "STEP" -

I'm unfamiliar with "STEP" - - can you tell me more about what this acronym means?
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For that matter, what's "COP"

For that matter, what's "COP" an acronym for?
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It's Community Oriented Polic

It's Community Oriented Policing. As I understand it, the model of policing, values including the community in solving community problems, and focuses on placing police in the communties. This leads to greater trust as individuals get to know their police officers on friendly terms then when something serious happens the same officer is there to respond,and perhaps even have some history or knowledge of the issues specific to the community.

I don't know what STEP is, but I love the values of COP, and I do think that the policing model used is important - - it sets the stage, and it is a valuable way in defining the community we live in, and what is important to us. I think that the model can affect the force's relationship to the community in a really big way.

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Judging by olycop's original

Judging by olycop's original commentary, they're still doing the same work in the field regardless of which acronym those at the top decide to choose.
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STEP, is that like, Step on '

STEP, is that like, Step on 'em if they Step outta line?
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Who are you talking about tha

Who are you talking about that get stepped on?
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I agree. Most of the work th

I agree. Most of the work that OPD does is outstanding. Does that mean it is perfect, and there is no room for improvement? Of course not.
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Also, the way I heard the don

Also, the way I heard the don't buy from companies associated with nukes was much like the Council's stance the the Patriot Act. Don't buy from companies that are involved with nukes, but if you have to go ahead. Don't enforce the Patriot Act, but if you are violating law by not enforcing it, go ahead and enforce it. Duhhhhh.
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As detailed in my other posts

As detailed in my other posts, you are mischarcterizing what the NFZ ordinance does and does not do. Yes, in a perfect world with unlimited financial resources we would shun all business with companies involved in nukes. However, we live in an imperfect world with limited financial resources. Given this constraint the best we can do is make policy intentions clear, follow that policy whenever possible, and be honest with the public when we can't.
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I think the BID is just anoth

I think the BID is just another example of the City Council members listening to their constituency and doing what's right for Olympia. Hopefully it'll work out.
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If you'd like to contribute, please register for an account. Here is a list of local news beats that need to be covered. You can post your news as a personal blog entry, and it will be reviewed (and possibly edited) for promotion to the front page. Once you've established a record of responsible blogging, you can become an autonomous user. You can also send news via email. All members of OlyBlog agree to abide by our comment and fair use policies. If you are frustrated about something said in a comment thread, go here.

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OlyBlog is a site for news and discussion about Olympia, Washington.
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