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Submitted by Rick on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 8:24am.
From The Olympian: Businesses now have to pony up between $150 and $750.
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This sounds like the opposite
Submitted by Rick on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 8:27am.If I was a small business own
Submitted by Sarah on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 8:48am.I vastly prefer the incubator idea also.
Rick, I love it. Hit the busi
Submitted by FPK1 on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 8:37am.Johnson, Ware, Green, and Hye
Submitted by OlyCop on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 9:11am.Olycop's clear disdain for me
Submitted by tj on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 4:28pm.Glad you posted this TJ, I di
Submitted by Sarah on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 4:39pm.We have already addressed the
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 4:42pm.If posting under a handle is what it takes for an unfiltered opinion, so be it.
I did not realize that the an
Submitted by tj on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 5:53pm.I know you're new to the boar
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:00pm.I also wanted to welcome you. We have already had the company of Mr. Kingsbury prior to the election, which was quite informative and enjoyable.
While we should be able to have conversation without fear of backlash, this is simply not the reality. Even if there wasn't backlash, by putting a name out in the open, it would be difficult to interact with each other in the "real world" without remembering what they posted. Of course, knowledge of who a person is can also impact our view of their opinion.
I would rather opinion and commentary be scrutinized by the merit it has rather than be shot down because of the messenger.
By the looks of things from t
Submitted by FPK1 on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:13pm.Actually Olycop is not my sub
Submitted by tj on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 7:40am.Tj, you must take me for a fo
Submitted by FPK1 on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 8:50am.Sounds like a stretch, man.
Submitted by Rick on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 9:04am.Eh, I can see the point. I m
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 9:26am.This is essentially my view a
Submitted by Rick on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 9:08am.tj, I find it frustrating,
Submitted by msjo on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 12:26pm.Excellent points. I understa
Submitted by tj on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 12:38pm.TJ, I have heard that you and
Submitted by FPK1 on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 5:14pm.As you know, there are always
Submitted by tj on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:03pm.Olycop's clear disdain for me
Submitted by tj on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 4:29pm.Sounds like we all somewhat a
Submitted by FPK1 on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 9:18am.I think we should be patient.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 10:47am.I've talked to people involved, and they may be working on a way to get around sending businesses to collections for non-payment. If a business can't afford to pay, another business or group of businesses will provide some help. There is also talks of business mentoring for new businesses. Perhaps involving Enterprise for Equity or the Economic Development Council.
There is also a sunset clause added to the BID. In five years the council will reevaluate it.
TJ, Like I said in an earl
Submitted by OlyCop on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 5:31pm.I don't believe that taking s
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:11pm.Are you sure it's "a fact" ou
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:16pm.Rob, business is business. If
Submitted by FPK1 on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:16pm.Yes I would. As much as I wo
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 7:01pm.I would, without a doubt, tell them about Walmart's questionable business practices, and share my views with them. I would not preach this as gospel, I would honestly try to present it in such a way as to give them the chance to form their own opinion. I would never tell someone not to take a job.
I seriously dislike the practices of some of the day-labor places as well, but I direct people to Labor Ready or Command Staffing almost daily. People need to work.
It's my long term goal to be a part of the solution to Olympia's need for good jobs. I think this starts with training or retraining workers.
Rob, you moved way up my resp
Submitted by FPK1 on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 7:09pm.I'm not sure why you refer to
Submitted by tj on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:16pm.From what I have read in the
Submitted by FPK1 on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:18pm.Goes to show you that you sho
Submitted by tj on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:27pm.Yikes! The Olympian slammed
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:29pm.Will the City be discontinuin
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:21pm.The NFZ, as supporters have admitted, is largely symbolic. The community was already pretty divided on issues such as the USS Olympia and Lakefair's "Tie a Yellow Ribbon." From my vantage point it seemed the NFZ was just adding fuel to that fire.
Also, can you direct me to where it is illegal to possess nuclear weapons?
EDIT: I also meant to ask: What if the supplier which does not "profit from [nuclear weapons]" has an inferior product? Will the City take that into account?
The goal of the NFZ is for th
Submitted by tj on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 8:02am.What about the major auto mak
Submitted by FPK1 on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 8:55am.Some of the automakers (for e
Submitted by tj on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 9:53am.tj: Does that mean the City C
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 11:49am.The Fire: No, not at all. I would expect, however, for the City to tackle controversy only when necessary. The NFZ was, by and large, a completely unnecessary course of action as related to the functioning of the City of Olympia.
This is beside the fact of how many man-hours were consumed pursuing, again, a symbolic measure. As a taxpayer I find this very disturbing.
tj: As far as nuclear weapons being illegal, this is based on a ruling by the International Court of Justice from the mid-1990s.
The Fire: Did the International Court address the issue of being in possession of nuclear weapons or "the threat or use of nuclear weapons?"
tj: I find it curious that the US talks so much about the "rule of law"...yet ignores the rule of law
The Fire: To clarify, are you talking about the Non-Proliferation Treaty?
Fire Inside: As repatedly sta
Submitted by tj on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 12:25pm.TJ, NFZ is just another way f
Submitted by FPK1 on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 1:03pm.So, are you opposed to all el
Submitted by tj on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 2:45pm.TJ, I want my elected officia
Submitted by FPK1 on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 3:09pm.I understand your expectation
Submitted by tj on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 3:33pm.TJ, your logic is strange. On
Submitted by FPK1 on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 3:48pm.I'll answer your question dir
Submitted by tj on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 8:59pm.Worse case scernio we get inv
Submitted by FPK1 on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 9:46pm.tj: At any rate, its less tha
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 1:21pm.The Fire: Funny you mention that because, as I have heard, the City might not be putting as much employee time into Lakefair (if any at all) in the coming years. If this is indeed true I would estimate $2,000 is no small amount for the City, especially when it's being used in an attempt to create their own utopia.
tj: Yes, the NPT refers to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty
The Fire: D'oh. Too many NFZs and NPTs in the paragraph. Didn't catch it in your original posting. I found the opinion from the World Court from 1996 which deals with the "Legality of the Threat or Use of Nuclear Weapons" and "Legality of the Use by a State of Nuclear Weapons in Armed Conflict." I assume this is the opinion you're talking about.
Since we're on the subject of the NPT, I'm curious, does the NPT allow for any countries to be in possession of nuclear weapons?
None of this even begins to address the issue of whether the United States should be subordinate to the World Court and international opinion, as some of our Supreme Justices have come to believe in recent rulings.
tj: No one should have nuclear weapons, and the US should lead by example.
The Fire: Obviously you don't believe in the MAD Doctrine.
TJ, you are living in some ty
Submitted by FPK1 on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 1:58pm.Warning: play the ball, not t
Submitted by Rick on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 2:02pm.Rick, the man's philosophy in
Submitted by FPK1 on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 2:16pm.Actually, I studied a lot of
Submitted by tj on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 2:53pm.Regarding NPT, it does not de
Submitted by tj on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 3:01pm.tj: Regarding NPT, it does no
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 4:18pm.The Fire: So is it legal or illegal to be in possession of existing nuclear weapons? This, existing nuclear weapons and their components, is what the NFZ deals with. Unless these companies are involved in the process of creating new weapons they are not in any violation of international law and neither is the U.S.
Article VI of the NPT:
"Each of the Parties to the Treaty undertakes to pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament, and on a Treaty on general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control."
Per the U.S. State Department:
"The United States has not conducted a nuclear test explosion since 1992, and senior U.S. officials have noted there is no foreseeable need to change that policy. The United States is not producing or developing any new nuclear weapons."
It would appear the NPT is working the way it was intended, which is to move "in good faith" toward an ultimate end to nuclear arms. It seems the State Department has a handle on the situation without the City of Olympia.
Please, if I have misunderstood any of the language in the NPT you are more than welcome to correct me.
TJ Nuke weapons are illega
Submitted by Deep Diver on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:32pm.TJ
Nuke weapons are illegal?
They're WMD.
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 4:52pm.So are chemical and biologica
Submitted by FPK1 on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 4:58pm.I realize this is hardly an a
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 5:04pm.TJ, From what our negotiatio
Submitted by OlyCop on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:35pm.Yes, Steve Hall has done a go
Submitted by tj on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 10:04am.TJ, also, the department is
Submitted by OlyCop on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:37pm.I'm unfamiliar with "STEP" -
Submitted by V-ster on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 10:52pm.For that matter, what's "COP"
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 11:05pm.It's Community Oriented Polic
Submitted by V-ster on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 11:48pm.It's Community Oriented Policing. As I understand it, the model of policing, values including the community in solving community problems, and focuses on placing police in the communties. This leads to greater trust as individuals get to know their police officers on friendly terms then when something serious happens the same officer is there to respond,and perhaps even have some history or knowledge of the issues specific to the community.
I don't know what STEP is, but I love the values of COP, and I do think that the policing model used is important - - it sets the stage, and it is a valuable way in defining the community we live in, and what is important to us. I think that the model can affect the force's relationship to the community in a really big way.
Judging by olycop's original
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 11:53pm.STEP, is that like, Step on '
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 12:16am.Who are you talking about tha
Submitted by FPK1 on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 8:58am.I agree. Most of the work th
Submitted by tj on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 10:06am.Also, the way I heard the don
Submitted by OlyCop on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:40pm.As detailed in my other posts
Submitted by tj on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 10:12am.I think the BID is just anoth
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:51pm.N/M
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 6:56pm.