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Submitted by rosscowman on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 7:49pm.

I met with jeff kingsbury at the artisan's cafe earlier this week to discuss some concerns I had about the impact of the ordinance on music events downtown. Jeff stated a few things which I would like to share here.

-the decible readings are taken from the property of the plaintif.

-the noise in question must exceed the ambiant noise

-noise ordinances are enforced by the building code folks, not by the police. someone found to be in violation of the ordinance will be give a 30 day notice to comply.

-jeff believes all of the downtown music venues are either currently in compliance with the ordinance or could be brought into compliance by keeping windows shut or investing in some relativly inexpensive sound baffling.

-jeff is going to add a 1 year sunset clause to the ordinance and bring it up for public review after that year to fix any adverse effect it might have on the music communnity.

this helped to aleviate some of my concerns and I appriciated the chance to communicate with jeff who was very generous with his time. Here are some further improvements I would like to see with the ordinance.

*require that sound measurements be taken from inside the plantif's building (not just at the property line) with doors and windows closed.


I feel that it is fair to ask that the plaintif do their best to keep the sound out by at least closing their windows.

*zone 5th avenue to the farmer's market as an entertainment district with a more lenient requirement.


I am afraid that even taken indoors, shows and dancing at places like jakes would still be louder then 60 db through the floor of the units above. Having an entertainment district would make it clearer to people thinking about where to move that there is a concentration of loud activity in that part of town.
So those are my thoughts on the matter. I would like to see some actual readings taken from inside residences ajoining jakes and across the street from the vault. if anyone is working on that angle please post your findings.
-ross

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I'm glad to see you were

I'm glad to see you were able to have some of your concerns eased.

Tomorrow I've set up a walk-around through Downtown with a sound level meter so members of the community and members of the Council can agree that the 60-65dB requirement is appropriate and fair. I want to show how most bars and clubs already comply, and point out how in instances where doors are open it can drastically increase the noise level.

The walk-around will be tomorrow (saturday) at 10:30PM at the corner of State & Columbia. We will meet promptly and head off through downtown.

But I am Just Another Voice

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Just the sort of thing we need

Dear Just Another Voice,

I just wanted to say that I applaud your individual initiative, this is the sort of community involvement - by those both for and against the ordinance - which we have been hoping to elicit.

Thanks for caring, Chris Bauermeister

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Noise Education - excellent!

I salute everyone for getting involved and for the practical exercise of walking around with a sound meter.  I especially appreciate this as I've been working with the City on a residential noise problem.

Anyway, for anyone who's going to experiment with a sound meter, make sure you understand that our codes are written for dBA - not dB.  The two are significantly different, especially when it comes to heavy bass that's present in a lot of music.  The "A" in dBA indicates that a filter is being used.  The "A" filter was developed to mimic the response of the human ear in the range of 40 to 70 dB - And this is different to how a machine responds to vibration.  So without getting all technical, low bass sound readings on the dBA scale could be 18 points lower than if you read them on the dB scale.  Somthing to be aware of!

Oh, and Rosscowman, I dissagree with your comment about the measurement taken with doors and windows of the Plaintif being closed - what if it's summer and the plaintif has no other means of cooling?  See, the minute you start telling others what they have to do to cope, then you're treading on their rights, IMHO.  Another way to look at it is that your really just raising the baseline max dBA by saying that they have to have windows and doors closed.  Like: 60 dBA plus having your windows and doors closed equates to something like 70 dba at your property line.

Best of luck!

www.truth-about-noise.com

There's a fine line between participation and mockery -Dilbert

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How did it go?

Did you get dBA readings or dB?
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cool

i'll be there! -ross
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Did you take some measurements?

What did you learn?


Beware the terrible simplifiers.
Jacob Burckhardt
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