Not everyone feels welcome at John's Mountain Home Bakery in Lacey

What just happened?? The donuts are great if you don’t mind choking down a heaping portion of racism first. We were regulars until today. When my husband smiled and said we’d be getting a small box of donuts, the man behind the counter (who we know to be the owner) smirked and asked if we were Arabic. My husband responded, “Could be”, and calmly continued to order. The owner laughed and awkwardly explained that he asked because my face was covered. I wear a carbon fiber inside a bandana as a mask because I have MCS, a disability that causes all sorts of health problems from exposure to chemicals, fragrances, exhaust, woodsmoke, etc. Any place I go, which isn’t many, people ask or look inquisitive and my husband or I are happy to explain. Why would he ask if “we” (including himself in a childish joking way) were Arabic? A joke? What is the joke? What is the purpose? Would he ask “Are you- anything else?” My best friend is Armenian and right after September 11, his uncle was attacked and beaten inside a record store. This is the context in which we live. I wanted others to know and I want to know, WHAT JUST HAPPENED???

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Tired of people playing the race card

I get tired of people looking for any excuse or reason to cry "racism". "What just happened" is that Daisy Ouye needs to get a life. What she posted here was so ridiculous it's hardly worth responding to. It's people like Daisy that encourage racism by ridiclous assumptions like what she has made. Sheesh.

For clarity's sake!

Arabic is a language. Headcovering is a Moslem tradition. Not all Arabs are Moslem, and vice-versa.

Again,

I called no one a racist.  Had I said "ignorance" in place of "racism" I wonder what the responses would have been.  

I know both Arab and Muslim people who feel harassed, diminished, and discriminated against and that's worth talking about.  

Thanks to those who believe in respectful communication.

Daisy...

...I spoke to the owner and he said you had been coming in for quite sometime and this was the first time he'd seen you dressed as you were. He said he didn't mean his comment to be hurtful and was taken aback when your partner jumped in with the"so what if she is?" thing. Thanks for your respectful communication and I hope you will be clear that you did not feel harassed, diminished or discriminated against. The owner isn't ignorant either and I hope you didn't mean to imply that he was...

Daisy...

Daisy, you replied that you "called no one a racist", so how do you explain the very first sentence in your original post? "...if you don’t mind choking down a heaping portion of racism first..." First of all, you really need to look up and understand the definition of racism before you go about making false allegations against an individual/company on the internet. Racism: 1. Hatred or intolerance of another race or other races 2. A belief or doctrine... usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others Now do you honestly believe that the comment that the owner made fits the definition of racism? I would certainly hope not. Yet, you chose to jump to conclusions and blatantly post false accusations/assumptions on the internet, accusations that will forever remain online. In the future many people will run across your post here, and perhaps read only your words, and will falsely assume that Mountain Home Bakery is a "racist" business. A smarter approach would have been very simple - a phone call or letter to the owner of the business that expressed your concerns, requesting an explanation. Had you done this you would have found that the comments made had nothing to do with racism, and that the owner of the business treats all of his friends as customers equally regardless of background or nationality.

Diversity 'n Olympia

I'm not sure what your friend meant about the way I was dressed. Or why he felt it was okay to comment on my appearance. I almost never go in, but we were on foot this day as our car was being serviced nearby.

It's not easy to manage the details of life with an illness like MCS. I could have stayed home, but went along for the delicious donuts. I always wear a mask when we go out and hang back and let my husband do the talking so I don't have to remove my mask, risking unneccessary exposures.

So when my husband greeted him and requested a small box of donuts, we were taken aback by recieving no greeting, but a question , "Are 'we' Arabic?" Clearly not a welcoming gesture, or to further his knowledge of middle eastern culture. It was a broad inaccurate, generalization made at my expense, out of ignorance and in poor taste about a widely diverse group of people who already experience daily harassment and discrimination.

Misquoted my husband, you did, Yoda, My husband was in no way hostile as you have portrayed him. He didn't jump in. Standing at the counter, he said, calmly, "could be". His subtle way of saying he didn't think the joke was funny, and, for all he knows, we could be of Arab descent.

I'm glad you talked to your friend. Questions about race and religion should be posed with respect. Also, I imagine seeing someone in a mask can be scary. In the age of MCS, not to mention H1N1, why not learn a better approach.

Enough said...

...there seems to be some difference in details reported by both parties. I suggest you follow up with a meeting with the owner. You have certainly done damage to his reputation by calling his shop 'filled with racism' and he has obviously offended you. Your beef is with the person who offended you. I suggest that is where you need to take whatever else you have to say about this incedent. Happy holidays!

I still fail to see...

...how his comments were construed as "racist". They do not come anywhere close to the definition of "racism". Now, had he made some type of "terrorism" or other demeaning comment, then Daisy would have a justifiable complaint. I completely agree with Yoda in that damage to his reputation has been done, how unfair to both him, his employees and the shop.

Again, a simple phone call to the owner would have been the proper way to handle this situation, vs unjustifiably trashing his business on the internet. It's hard enough running a small business, especially in the current economic climate. Owners are typically putting in 12-20 hour days, 7 days a week, just to try and make ends meet. The last thing they need is false accusations publicly posted against them.

Thanks, Meta

And a hejab does not cover the face.

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Get Real, Please

Let me get this straight... You're wearing an unusual bandanna of some sort. Doughnut man awkwardly asks if you're Arabic. Your wise-acre husband answers "Could be." instead of either letting you answer or giving a truthful answer. > Why would he ask if “we” were Arabic? Ummm, because some Arabic women cover their faces like you. > A joke? What is the joke? Sorry. You said your husband smiled and then doughnut man smirked. Where does the whole "joke thing" come in? > What is the purpose? Maybe doughnut man was making conversation. >Would he ask “Are you- anything else?” Perhaps you could return wearing a sombrero, tweed cap, or beret and see if he suggests you're Mexican, Irish, or French. > WHAT JUST HAPPENED??? You overreacted. "Heaping portion of racism"? I don't think so.

A Couple Comments

I think Tim T should refrain from name-calling. And I have yet to meet an Arab woman wearing a bandana over her nose and mouth. Where are you getting that? I also don't think it's easy to understand what happened unless you were there but it was very obvious to us that the man was surprised when we didn't laugh at what was clearly bad joke. It surprises and offends me that he assumed we would think a racist joke was funny. Also, when my husband said, "could be", it should have made the man think, 'hmm, he COULD be'. Education. I chose this forum for discussion because I thought it had value and merit as a topic that needs to be addressed. I didn't want others to experience what we did. As I explained before, my health is adversely affected by chemical exposure. We do not spend any more time in public than we need to. My husband always puts my health and well-being first. Remaining calm is one of his many talents. The man made a joke that was at my expense and denoting the ignorance in our country about culture, respect. That's a lot to address. I also explained that the man was smirking at us and that we didn't feel welcome. So we didn't stick around to further educate the business owner. I appreciate the way my husband handled it.

So...

...I know the owner and have worked with him in the past. He's not racist and is just tryin to work to support his family. I think this has been blown out of proportion.

I can understand why you might think this is a non-issue

but to say this encourages racism is exponentially more ridiculous than any of Daisy's assumptions.

Oh, Smarty McSmartypants!

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This thread is now in the

This thread is now in the top 3 results that pop up when you search for the bakery by name.

"Playing the Race 'Card'"

I don't think Daisy was playing the race card, and I don't think her feelings are ridiculous. There may have been a misunderstanding / miscommunication. Yes. And misunderstandings and miscommunications happen all the time. The problem is when people don't speak up and saying something when they happen. So I think Daisy ought to be commended for speaking up and sharing her point of view / perception of the event.


I can understand that your

I can understand that your illness is a pain in the butt. I'm sure you can understand that anyone walking around in public looking like they are going to hold up a train (which seems far funnier than a religious head covering) is probably going to attract a lot of undue attention. I will honestly admit, I would be staring at you for awhile, probably waiting for you to yell out, "Tear it down!". This guy was a doophus. He handled things badly and made it really weird for you I'm sure, I have no doubt that you felt uncomfortable. As Bob just mentioned though. You have pretty much just labeled his business as a nice racist donut shop for all of google'dom, which seems unfair imo.

So you got the word out, do you feel better now? How dare he make you feel uncomfortable for wearing a bandana over your face. Revenge is yours, way to go.

bummer

I used to buy cigarettes at an Iraqi owned corner store in the San Fernando Valley. After 9/11 they had all their windows bricked in and racist messages spray painted on the walls. That same week an american born egyptian, who had served previously in the navy was shot to death in his families video store in Canoga Park.

I'm really sorry you had to see such an ugly side of people. 

It must really suck for you

It must really suck for you to have to deal with people's questions about that and I'm sorry, but what if the guy wasn't being racist and you are publicly calling him and his business racist? The way you describe the situation it sounds like he was uncomfortable with the bandanna and didn't know how to come out and ask why you were wearing it. You certainly shouldn't have to explain yourself for that, but also put yourself in the shoes of a business owner who has someone walking in the door with a bandanna over their face. Many people who work behind counters would be on guard if someone walked into their store covering their face, especially with a bandanna or a ski mask. His question was inappropriate, but was it really overtly racist?

This is racism?

I wonder if you would have had the same reaction had you come in wearing a sombrero and he asked if we were Mexican? I'm not a huge donut fan, but the story you shared doesn't sound all that terrible.

A little socially awkward

A little socially awkward thing for a person to say, far from racist though

"Are we ignorant rubes."

Might have been a good response.

This is a complicated situation.

I think it's important to separate something someone says from who the person is.

If someone says something racist or sexist we need to talk to them about that, and ask them to not be insensitive. I don't think that taking a question like the one we're talking about and using it as evidence that that man is racist and that Arab people aren't welcome in his establishment is the right way to go about it.

Saying something racist or sexist doesn't necessarily mean that the person saying it is racist or sexist, it could mean they're ignorant and don't know the origin of what they're saying, it could mean they have an awkward and insensitive sense of humor, or a lot of things. Starting the conversation by pointing at them and saying "You're racist." won't get the conversation off the ground, and will likely just create an enemy.

I agree it is a complicated situation.

Daisy, I'm really sorry this happened to you.

I'd like to offer something in addition to Rob's thoughts which I agree with. It may help in this to watch "How To Tell People They Sound Racist" - I think it's a brilliant podcast by Jay Smooth and what he says relates to this discussion. You can watch it on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Ti-gkJiXc  It may not help for you now Daisy since the situation is past, but in the future if something like this happens again it may.

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Yes!

Jay Smooth is one of my favorites. Very wise.

Preachin' to the choir, but Jay is smooth

For the record, I didn't say the new owner was a racist. But what I witnessed appeared to be someone, not actually thinking we were Arab, but making a rude, dare I say racist, joke. Call it what you wish, it was offensive and we did not feel welcome.

Racism can range from subtle to obvious.

What happened to you was racism. The ignorant bastard behind the counter was too stupid to realize this. Mabey it's not a big deal to everyone (white people), but if you feel uncomfortable somewhere or feel not welcome ANYWHERE in this day and age, then in all likelyhood, your feelings of discrimination are justified. No one has the right to not know "they're ignorant and don't know the origin of what they're saying." Someone owes you an apology. Including some of these morons who commented to you.
Scott Peoples, Professional Musician

In the mean time

that Jay Smooth video is prety good.

Why?

"If you feel uncomfortable somewhere or feel not welcome ANYWHERE in this day and age, then in all likelyhood, your feelings of discrimination are justified."

What is it about this day and age that justifies those feelings in almost every circumstance? Does this work both ways? If a white person feels uncomfortable in a situation where he or she is a minority is it safe to assume that everyone surrounding him/her is an ignorant racist? Sometimes we feel uncomfortable and judged for entirely internal reasons or even simple misunderstandings. I'm not trying to downplay racism. I've been affected by it. But, I think in a situatation like this you are much better off giving people the benefit of the doubt or educating them tactfully then basking in your righteous anger.

You really should watch the

You really should watch the name-calling. It is not supposed to happen here, and really shouldn't be tolerated by anyone. If anyone is owing apologies it is you.

She shared her story, some of us disagreed with her approach given the situation. If you don't tolerate people disagreeing I politely suggest that you find another place to play. Right now you are not playing the ball.