What just happened??
The donuts are great if you don’t mind choking down a heaping portion of racism first.
We were regulars until today. When my husband smiled and said we’d be getting a small box of donuts, the man behind the counter (who we know to be the owner) smirked and asked if we were Arabic.
My husband responded, “Could be”, and calmly continued to order. The owner laughed and awkwardly explained that he asked because my face was covered. I wear a carbon fiber inside a bandana as a mask because I have MCS, a disability that causes all sorts of health problems from exposure to chemicals, fragrances, exhaust, woodsmoke, etc. Any place I go, which isn’t many, people ask or look inquisitive and my husband or I are happy to explain.
Why would he ask if “we” (including himself in a childish joking way) were Arabic? A joke? What is the joke? What is the purpose? Would he ask “Are you- anything else?”
My best friend is Armenian and right after September 11, his uncle was attacked and beaten inside a record store. This is the context in which we live.
I wanted others to know and I want to know,
WHAT JUST HAPPENED???
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Tired of people playing the race card
For clarity's sake!
Again,
I called no one a racist. Had I said "ignorance" in place of "racism" I wonder what the responses would have been.
I know both Arab and Muslim people who feel harassed, diminished, and discriminated against and that's worth talking about.
Thanks to those who believe in respectful communication.
Daisy...
Daisy...
Diversity 'n Olympia
I'm not sure what your friend meant about the way I was dressed. Or why he felt it was okay to comment on my appearance. I almost never go in, but we were on foot this day as our car was being serviced nearby.
It's not easy to manage the details of life with an illness like MCS. I could have stayed home, but went along for the delicious donuts. I always wear a mask when we go out and hang back and let my husband do the talking so I don't have to remove my mask, risking unneccessary exposures.
So when my husband greeted him and requested a small box of donuts, we were taken aback by recieving no greeting, but a question , "Are 'we' Arabic?" Clearly not a welcoming gesture, or to further his knowledge of middle eastern culture. It was a broad inaccurate, generalization made at my expense, out of ignorance and in poor taste about a widely diverse group of people who already experience daily harassment and discrimination.
Misquoted my husband, you did, Yoda, My husband was in no way hostile as you have portrayed him. He didn't jump in. Standing at the counter, he said, calmly, "could be". His subtle way of saying he didn't think the joke was funny, and, for all he knows, we could be of Arab descent.
I'm glad you talked to your friend. Questions about race and religion should be posed with respect. Also, I imagine seeing someone in a mask can be scary. In the age of MCS, not to mention H1N1, why not learn a better approach.
Enough said...
I still fail to see...
...how his comments were construed as "racist". They do not come anywhere close to the definition of "racism". Now, had he made some type of "terrorism" or other demeaning comment, then Daisy would have a justifiable complaint. I completely agree with Yoda in that damage to his reputation has been done, how unfair to both him, his employees and the shop.
Again, a simple phone call to the owner would have been the proper way to handle this situation, vs unjustifiably trashing his business on the internet. It's hard enough running a small business, especially in the current economic climate. Owners are typically putting in 12-20 hour days, 7 days a week, just to try and make ends meet. The last thing they need is false accusations publicly posted against them.
Thanks, Meta
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Get Real, Please
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So...
I can understand why you might think this is a non-issue
Oh, Smarty McSmartypants!
This thread is now in the
"Playing the Race 'Card'"
I don't think Daisy was playing the race card, and I don't think her feelings are ridiculous. There may have been a misunderstanding / miscommunication. Yes. And misunderstandings and miscommunications happen all the time. The problem is when people don't speak up and saying something when they happen. So I think Daisy ought to be commended for speaking up and sharing her point of view / perception of the event.
I can understand that your
I can understand that your illness is a pain in the butt. I'm sure you can understand that anyone walking around in public looking like they are going to hold up a train (which seems far funnier than a religious head covering) is probably going to attract a lot of undue attention. I will honestly admit, I would be staring at you for awhile, probably waiting for you to yell out, "Tear it down!". This guy was a doophus. He handled things badly and made it really weird for you I'm sure, I have no doubt that you felt uncomfortable. As Bob just mentioned though. You have pretty much just labeled his business as a nice racist donut shop for all of google'dom, which seems unfair imo.
So you got the word out, do you feel better now? How dare he make you feel uncomfortable for wearing a bandana over your face. Revenge is yours, way to go.
bummer
I used to buy cigarettes at an Iraqi owned corner store in the San Fernando Valley. After 9/11 they had all their windows bricked in and racist messages spray painted on the walls. That same week an american born egyptian, who had served previously in the navy was shot to death in his families video store in Canoga Park.
I'm really sorry you had to see such an ugly side of people.
It must really suck for you
This is racism?
A little socially awkward
"Are we ignorant rubes."
This is a complicated situation.
If someone says something racist or sexist we need to talk to them about that, and ask them to not be insensitive. I don't think that taking a question like the one we're talking about and using it as evidence that that man is racist and that Arab people aren't welcome in his establishment is the right way to go about it.
Saying something racist or sexist doesn't necessarily mean that the person saying it is racist or sexist, it could mean they're ignorant and don't know the origin of what they're saying, it could mean they have an awkward and insensitive sense of humor, or a lot of things. Starting the conversation by pointing at them and saying "You're racist." won't get the conversation off the ground, and will likely just create an enemy.
I agree it is a complicated situation.
Daisy, I'm really sorry this happened to you.
I'd like to offer something in addition to Rob's thoughts which I agree with. It may help in this to watch "How To Tell People They Sound Racist" - I think it's a brilliant podcast by Jay Smooth and what he says relates to this discussion. You can watch it on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Ti-gkJiXc It may not help for you now Daisy since the situation is past, but in the future if something like this happens again it may.
Yes!
Preachin' to the choir, but Jay is smooth
Racism can range from subtle to obvious.
In the mean time
Why?
"If you feel uncomfortable somewhere or feel not welcome ANYWHERE in this day and age, then in all likelyhood, your feelings of discrimination are justified."
What is it about this day and age that justifies those feelings in almost every circumstance? Does this work both ways? If a white person feels uncomfortable in a situation where he or she is a minority is it safe to assume that everyone surrounding him/her is an ignorant racist? Sometimes we feel uncomfortable and judged for entirely internal reasons or even simple misunderstandings. I'm not trying to downplay racism. I've been affected by it. But, I think in a situatation like this you are much better off giving people the benefit of the doubt or educating them tactfully then basking in your righteous anger.
You really should watch the
You really should watch the name-calling. It is not supposed to happen here, and really shouldn't be tolerated by anyone. If anyone is owing apologies it is you.
She shared her story, some of us disagreed with her approach given the situation. If you don't tolerate people disagreeing I politely suggest that you find another place to play. Right now you are not playing the ball.