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Submitted by Norm on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 12:58pm.
Really? Because reading some of the posts today (and realize, it's the day after election, and I know some of us are very down about it) you would think that Olympia is about to go up in flames. Here's your thread folks. Talk about the woes of Olympia, and what this election is going to mean for the city's future. I'm really not getting it, my mayoral candidate didn't win, but other than that, I'm not feeling like the world is going to end. Are the winning candidates really that evil?
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The thought police are going
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 1:09pm.Budd Inlet will become a desert, the oxygen level in Olympia's atmosphere will drop to 0.01%, The Reef will be replaced by a Wal-Mart (which will have a McDonalds and a Starbucks kiosk.)
I'm also going to develop an inoperable case of tonsilitis. Everyone else will catch MRSA.
Gas prices will go up, and the cost of grapenuts will triple.
If you think I'm irrational now, you should've heard me before I stopped overreacting.
[edit: be very careful when proofing your posts...there's a big difference between overreacting and overeating.]
Damn the United States! I wish I may never hear of the United States again!
Philip Nolan, the man without a country
It's Morning In Olympia
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 1:25pm.It makes me uncertain about the future of Olympia. I see our council full of people that want condos at the expense of housing that is affordable to the working class. As a person who has dedicated his life to standing up for social causes, especially the houseless in our community, I worry that the few housing resources that exist will now be allowed to dwindle and will eventually evaporate.
Every candidate elected yesterday supports the pedestrian interference ordinance. Every one of them wants to go further, favoring tougher laws and punishments over solutions.
The council members we have now have been virtually unwilling to listen to the experts on issues of poverty. I'm not talking about the bureaucrats at the big money non-profits, I'm talking about the people living in poverty themselves. I'm not sure if the new members will prove any more willing to really listen either. It seems that solving the social ill of houselessness is not a priority. They will rest on their laurels and tout big figures in terms of money spent on homelessness. But that's just it, we're spending money ON homelessness, not on ending homelessness. I ask anybody willing to answer, how many people have been permanently housed with money spent by the city of Olympia? $7,000,000 dollars or so was spent on Drexel House, a poorly run shelter/transitional housing project that only serves about 60 people. That's over $116,500 per person for an impermanent situation. I think we can do better. I know we can do better. There are direct housing models out there that cost drastically less than what we spend now on sustaining homelessness that include intensive case management. In essence, get people in housing and work closely with them to ensure they stay in that housing through mental health care, societal reintegration, and just by offering them companionship so they are not alone in a scary new world.
New ideas like these, I fear, will never see the light of day. I don't trust that this council is up to the task of trying a new solution to an old problem.
I want so very desperately to be proven wrong.
Here is a thought.
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 2:05pm.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Read this.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 2:38pm.I think everyone should read this article.
Million-Dollar Murray
February 13, 2006
Dept. of Social Services
Why problems like homelessness may be easier to solve than to manage.
1.
Murray Barr was a bear of a man, an ex-marine, six feet tall and heavyset, and when he fell down—which he did nearly every day—it could take two or three grown men to pick him up. He had straight black hair and olive skin. On the street, they called him Smokey. He was missing most of his teeth. He had a wonderful smile. People loved Murray.
His chosen drink was vodka. Beer he called "horse piss." On the streets of downtown Reno, where he lived, he could buy a two-hundred-and-fifty-millilitre bottle of cheap vodka for a dollar-fifty. If he was flush, he could go for the seven-hundred-and-fifty-millilitre bottle, and if he was broke he could always do what many of the other homeless people of Reno did, which is to walk through the casinos and finish off the half-empty glasses of liquor left at the gaming tables.
"If he was on a runner, we could pick him up several times a day," Patrick O'Bryan, who is a bicycle cop in downtown Reno, said. "And he's gone on some amazing runners. He would get picked up, get detoxed, then get back out a couple of hours later and start up again. A lot of the guys on the streets who've been drinking, they get so angry. They are so incredibly abrasive, so violent, so abusive. Murray was such a character and had such a great sense of humor that we somehow got past that. Even when he was abusive, we'd say, 'Murray, you know you love us,' and he'd say, 'I know—and go back to swearing at us."
"I've been a police officer for fifteen years," O'Bryan's partner, Steve Johns, said. "I picked up Murray my whole career. Literally."
Johns and O'Bryan pleaded with Murray to quit drinking. A few years ago, he was assigned to a treatment program in which he was under the equivalent of house arrest, and he thrived. He got a job and worked hard. But then the program ended. "Once he graduated out, he had no one to report to, and he needed that," O'Bryan said. "I don't know whether it was his military background. I suspect that it was. He was a good cook. One time, he accumulated savings of over six thousand dollars. Showed up for work religiously. Did everything he was supposed to do. They said, 'Congratulations,' and put him back on the street. He spent that six thousand in a week or so."
Often, he was too intoxicated for the drunk tank at the jail, and he'd get sent to the emergency room at either Saint Mary's or Washoe Medical Center. Marla Johns, who was a social worker in the emergency room at Saint Mary's, saw him several times a week. "The ambulance would bring him in. We would sober him up, so he would be sober enough to go to jail. And we would call the police to pick him up. In fact, that's how I met my husband." Marla Johns is married to Steve Johns.
"He was like the one constant in an environment that was ever changing," she went on. "In he would come. He would grin that half-toothless grin. He called me 'my angel.' I would walk in the room, and he would smile and say, 'Oh, my angel, I'm so happy to see you.' We would joke back and forth, and I would beg him to quit drinking and he would laugh it off. And when time went by and he didn't come in I would get worried and call the coroner's office. When he was sober, we would find out, oh, he's working someplace, and my husband and I would go and have dinner where he was working. When my husband and I were dating, and we were going to get married, he said, 'Can I come to the wedding?' And I almost felt like he should. My joke was 'If you are sober you can come, because I can't afford your bar bill.' When we started a family, he would lay a hand on my pregnant belly and bless the child. He really was this kind of light."
In the fall of 2003, the Reno Police Department started an initiative designed to limit panhandling in the downtown core. There were articles in the newspapers, and the police department came under harsh criticism on local talk radio. The crackdown on panhandling amounted to harassment, the critics said. The homeless weren't an imposition on the city; they were just trying to get by. "One morning, I'm listening to one of the talk shows, and they're just trashing the police department and going on about how unfair it is," O'Bryan said. "And I thought, Wow, I've never seen any of these critics in one of the alleyways in the middle of the winter looking for bodies." O'Bryan was angry. In downtown Reno, food for the homeless was plentiful: there was a Gospel kitchen and Catholic Services, and even the local McDonald's fed the hungry. The panhandling was for liquor, and the liquor was anything but harmless. He and Johns spent at least half their time dealing with people like Murray; they were as much caseworkers as police officers. And they knew they weren't the only ones involved. When someone passed out on the street, there was a "One down" call to the paramedics. There were four people in an ambulance, and the patient sometimes stayed at the hospital for days, because living on the streets in a state of almost constant intoxication was a reliable way of getting sick. None of that, surely, could be cheap.
O'Bryan and Johns called someone they knew at an ambulance service and then contacted the local hospitals. "We came up with three names that were some of our chronic inebriates in the downtown area, that got arrested the most often," O'Bryan said. "We tracked those three individuals through just one of our two hospitals. One of the guys had been in jail previously, so he'd only been on the streets for six months. In those six months, he had accumulated a bill of a hundred thousand dollars—and that's at the smaller of the two hospitals near downtown Reno. It's pretty reasonable to assume that the other hospital had an even larger bill. Another individual came from Portland and had been in Reno for three months. In those three months, he had accumulated a bill for sixty-five thousand dollars. The third individual actually had some periods of being sober, and had accumulated a bill of fifty thousand."
The first of those people was Murray Barr, and Johns and O'Bryan realized that if you totted up all his hospital bills for the ten years that he had been on the streets—as well as substance-abuse-treatment costs, doctors' fees, and other expenses—Murray Barr probably ran up a medical bill as large as anyone in the state of Nevada.
"It cost us one million dollars not to do something about Murray," O'Bryan said.
Read the rest herejust an FYI
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 2:09pm.My observations
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 2:29pm.I don't live in Olympia, thus I stay out of Olympia's political races.
Now, on Thurston County:
1. Proposition 1 was defeated by a 2 to 1 margin. I believe that those of us that supported Proposition 1 didn't do a good enough job of educating the voters on what the benefits were. We allowed the loud drone of "no new taxes" to overide the PA system. Taxes are an emotional issue to everyone. I find it strange that the same people that fought 3/10th of one cent increase in sales taxes seem to be some of the same people that support our trillion dollar deficit in spending. They've thrown out the "war on crime" to fight "the war on terror" and use the Federal credit card instead of making the consituents responsible for the services they incur. Of course, if 65% of the populace opposed Proposition 1 and only 30% support the Federal administrations "war on terror" there is something to be said for a group of folks that don't support a "war on terror" or a "war on crime". The interesting part of all of this is that nothing is really saved. Costs will be incurred by the voters for lack of prevention programs and they will end up paying for it in other ways (take, for instance, insurance costs related to crime). There is no free lunch.
2. I'll never understand the "super majority" line of thinking. Since when should 41% of the populace dictate the funding of schools? I thought majority (51%) ruled in our country.
3. Same song, second verse on Eyman's latest cash cow. When will the voters learn that without a controversial tax issue, Eyman has a substantial loss in cash flow?
The world will not end tomorrow (hopefully, because there are golf courses I've yet to master). Children will still need food. People will still need shelter. No amount of chiding them to "strap up" is going to solve the challenge.
I'll quote a rather quotable statesman when I say "teach them to fish and they'll never be hungry". First we must fill their stomaches so that they will be able to learn.
While I'm sorry about some of the outcomes,
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 2:42pm.Great story, Rob
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 3:02pm.thanks for reminding me of where I could have been with a few more drinks instead of a few less.