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Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Thu, 07/19/2007 - 2:48pm.

Since I live outside the city limits, I hope that everyone will understand that my comments are nothing more than an observation of what I'm watching develop on the Olympia Mayor race between Meta Hogan and Doug Mah.

I happen to know Mah, but not intimately. I have not had the pleasure of meeting Hogan, but have paid attention to her posts on olyblog. I have no personal favorites and, as I said, I don't vote for this race anyway.

To my point. I'm monitoring the posts on The Olympian comments threads and it seems some of Mah's "supporters" are already throwing dirt. Right from the start, I want to make mention that what is being said doesn't sound like Mah would endorse it, but at the same time, these folks are trying to represent him in media.

Because of Hogan's honest stand on the issue of homelessness, the commenters are trying to play the "fear" card by saying her election to office would make Olympia "overun" with homeless, as if the homeless have an ear to the ground on such political matters such as a mayor's race in a certain city. Rational minds know that "Olympia's homeless" are not so much transient, as they are locals that have fallen on bad times. A recent report demonstrated that many people have been able to find permanent housing, thus something must be working. Additionally, it's been proven over and over that the majority of homeless are suffering from medical challenges, thus they probably aren't as worried about who is mayor as they are about their next meal, a place to sleep and help with their medical issues.

Although I don't live in the city limits, I do live in the community and don't want to see this race turn into a divisive issue, as opposed to a chance for both candidates to tell the voters their plan for Olympia and let the votes be cast.

Hopefully, Olympia can rise above petty accusational politics.

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Meta For Mayor

Unfortunately, as a resident of Grays Harbor County, I cannot vote for Meta. But I would if I could. Consider this: In an online environment like OlyBlog where most people use fake names, Meta from the very start let us know exactly who she was using her real name. That means she was willing to take responsibilty and any consequences for unpopular comments without the cushion of an online Clark Kent type of identity. It is easy to slam others when you are under the cover of an assumed name, not unlike a drive-by shooting,

I wish Meta would move to my town and run for Mayor. Actually, and you Olympians can beat me up if you are able to catch me-- I think Meta might be too good for your town. Whether it comes from the right, or left, Oly has always (speaking as someone who attended Oly from Kindergarten to college) been a smug, self-important little town, and Meta is the fresh air Oly needs.

I'm sure Doug Mah is a nice guy, but I don't see anything there that is bold or innovative, only status quo. With Meta I see potential for making Olympia a creative place on so many levels. From what I can see she is a natural leader who is open to hearing the voices of the Olympia community.

But, listen to me, I ran a cartoon dog for Mayor out here in 1999 (I claim 5% as a write-in for Morty the Dog), so what do I know?

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StevenL (if, in fact, that

StevenL (if, in fact, that IS your real name), I posted a comment on the Olympian comments page many months ago... probably more than a year ago... wherein I encouraged people to "support our troops". It was a sarcastic remark, given the article to which it pertained, and I so wish it had been anonymous. I even typed "anonymous" in the Name field, hoping to make my snipe and get out unscathed. The comments that followed were succinct, unmerciful and all-too-just in their condemnation of "Meta", the supposed poster of the comment. Thus began my search for relentless accountability in the form of public office, so satisfied was I by the diligence of my fellow Olympians (smug and self-important though we may be). So I run for office, hoping that in the future whenever I make mistakes it will be in the presence of the public conscience, subject not only to my own (smug and self-important) whims, but also to the collective intelligence and compassion of Olympia itself. (Until I am unelected, at which point I will move to Grays Harbor where my REAL fan base awaits with open arms.) Sincerely, Clark Kent EDIT: ack. It posted my real name again.
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Meta..

As Mayor,

Would you consider a proposal to ban, in Olympia City Limits, the use of non-biodegradable bags and packaging in all fast food resturants, supermarkets and chain drug stores, with gross annual sales of more than $1 million?

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I would support this effort

I would support this effort as a voter -- with the monetary stipulation removed.  It should be applicable to anyone using these products, no?

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OK

OK.. 

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Meta or Doug

As Mayor,

Would you consider a proposal to ban, in Olympia City Limits, the use of non-biodegradable bags and packaging in all resturants, markets, and drug stores?
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If I were running for

If I were running for council, and I'm not, and never will, so forget about it, I would only support this if it came from the people. Laws like this are statist and therefore undemocratic unless a strong majority want them.
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how is addressing a negative externality..

how is addressing a negative externality associated with corporate/state activity considered statist?
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How is passing a law that

How is passing a law that controls a person's lifestyle not statist? I would be in favor of educational campaigns sponsored and funded by local government to inform people of the damage caused to our planet by non-biodegradable materials, but not some law that people have no say over telling them it's illegal to use plastic all of a sudden. It's like telling a child no, and then telling them "because I said so" when they ask why. People need to be better prepared to make healthy decisions, not bossed around. The sooner we realize that people are not stupid little sheep that need a shepard the better off we'll be.
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seriously..

why do i always end up in the middle of this shit?
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Seriously..

Don't you think environmentalism would produce better results from the grassroots as opposed to from the government? I believe that we're entering a period of time where the government won't be there and we'll have to work together to live. Not trying to give you a hard time, passing laws to solve our problems really gets on my nerves. It just seems like the easy way out, and perpetuates the sheep or drone mentality too many of us live in. We should all be a bit more responsible (to the extent that we are able) for ourselves.

"The Idea is the Thing"

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Hmmm, that's pretty good. 

Hmmm, that's pretty good.  How do you change the perception of those who view grassroots efforts as: tree-hugging, greener, hippie, etc.?  I think the truth of the matter is that all too often people who are not close to these efforts liken it to a progressive movement and the stigma follows.  Not saying I agree with it, but I see it as others reality.

The initiative process comes to mind, less the Eyman theatrics.

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The stigma is manufactured...

 If any mantra is repeated enough, people will buy into it.  McDonalds told the world it needed "a break today" and their business flourished.

There are X number of people that will be "no new taxes" at all times, without the understanding that taxes provide service.  There will be people that distain SUVs without considertion that a Prius will not haul needed equipment or tow a trailer.  There are people that find "progressive" thinking to be something bad, without giving consideration to the definition of progressive.

We are all intelligent enough to decipher our needs and our impact on others.  It's how we choose to use such intelligence is the key.

"There is only one race, the human race" - The Neville Brothers

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hearts vs. laws

I think there is something to be said about trying to convince a good number of people that something is a good idea, rather than lobbying government to implement a new regulation.

If you can convince people that using a different type of bag is better, than in the end banning would actually inevitable.

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Sort of like the way...

...people stopped driving SUVs when they realized they were expensive gas-guzzling behemoths, bad for the environment, and subject to dangerous rollovers? You never see anyone driving an oversized vehicle any more.
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I think we have to try to

I think we have to try to meet people where they're at. A "hippie hating rightie" can still care about the environment, they just need ways to express that without the stigma of what they don't like about the left getting in the way. As a community we can address that by providing lots of different options for people to be involved in problem solving, not just one or two. If someone started a non-profit that was donation driven and volunteer based that's mission was to give out canvas shopping bags by doorbelling every neighborhood in town, then some people could support it with their dollars, some could support it with their feet, others by switching their business over to canvas only, etc.
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I would absolutely consider

I would absolutely consider it. It's something I've heard about from many citizens.
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Consider what?

What am I missing?
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Absolutely?

Consider? What is many? Is that a number you could bring up? How many people do you talk to a day? 

Since you responded.. is there a concrete plan you have? Will you bring it up on Monday?

 

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