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Submitted by ashley on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 12:19pm.
This is just a repost from the Olympian, and I know that's discouraged but this is really interesting information. The article focuses mostly on the Port and the City, and mentions at the end that this is the first time the port has ever been reimbursed by the military. I'm pretty shocked about that decision, just based on the precedent that it sets. I imagine that this means the military would like to continue using the Port of Olympia for shipments. Port receives $70,000 payment from military The military has reimbursed the Port of Olympia $70,000 related to November's protests of military shipments there, and an Olympia city councilman wondered Tuesday why the city isn't receiving some of that money from the port. (continued at the Olympian...)
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Submitted by security_six on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 1:13pm.Well Oly is a good port to ship stuff through going to Fort Lewis. Mebbe the next load will come through here too.
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."That's my read too, but why
Submitted by ashley on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 1:17pm.Well
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 1:22pm.I dunno :-) We have rail access, are close to the freeway and near Fort Lewis, all like Tacoma. If I had to venunture a guess I would say we are probably a bit cheaper as Tacoma is in a better position to refuse "difficult" customers, also a smaller town is more likely to have less protesters come out and try and shut things down.
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."Does it really make a difference?
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 1:28pm.What port they use, Olympia or Tacoma? They're about 35 minutes apart. The military operations that occur in Western Washington (Ft. Lewis, McChord, Bremerton, Everett, Bangor, MEPS in Seattle) on a daily basis are forever ignored. But, when ships come in to pick-up or drop-off war machines, watch out, we can't have that!
Tacoma is more expensive than Olympia. Tacoma is also much bigger and with that carries a hectic schedule. Protests in a busy port are bad for business. Protests in a port where you get the pier for two weeks - simply a couple of speed bumps to navigate. That may sound harsh, in fact, I'm sure it does, but that's the reality.
I'm wondering how much rail action you'll see this time around.
I think you nailed it
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 1:30pm.There EG. Probably see a lot more rail action. I'll pay money to see someone try and stand in front of a locomotive to get it to stop.
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."Maybe the port protesters
Submitted by Just another voice on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 1:31pm.Then it won't matter which port they originate from!
That, of course, would cause a bit more work and travel time. And also military police/national guard = really scary.
But I am Just Another Voice
MEPS in SeattleThere are
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 2:26pm.There are very few things which are more degrading than having to do the "duck walk" with 30 other strangers or bend over and spread your butt cheeks for a crusty old doctor to look into.
Crusty Old Doctor
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 2:32pm.The guy I had was ancient,
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 2:40pm.The guy I had was ancient, so it very well could have been the same person.
wow
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 4:28pm.It's always a life
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 4:33pm.You can blow out a candle / But you can't blow out a fire / Once the flames begin to catch / The wind will blow it higher
I don't know if that applies
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 4:43pm.Survivors - that's what. A
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 4:45pm.You can blow out a candle / But you can't blow out a fire / Once the flames begin to catch / The wind will blow it higher
err
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 6:07pm......and spread your butt cheeks for a crusty old doctor to look into.
Um, maybe I wasn't cute enough, but I don't remember having to do that one at MEPS.
Rail would be a good strategic move on their part.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 1:30pm.Ding, ding, ding!
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 1:35pm.What's the penalty is for greasing a rail?
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 1:59pm.I put
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 2:01pm.a penny on the tracks a few times.
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun."Federal Offense
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 9:45pm.- So is peddling lies in order to attack a foreign country.
In this case, the protesters are the sheriffs, because Congress is derelict in its duties to exercise appropriate and necessary oversight in order to prevent the ongoing war crimes of the Executive Administration.
Protesters are right to nonviolently oppose and resist operations which enable an ongoing immoral/illegal war of aggression.
Bush and Cheney are abusing our troops. Protesters are supporting our troops by taking direct action to stop the war.
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Your
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 9:57pm.Sheriff's analogy is wrong. Sheriff's are elected law officers. What you are speaking of is vigilantism or revolution. Enjoy.
Wait a second
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 10:00pm.Convince me
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 10:02pm.That I would be lawfully empowered to use force.
Then convince me I should.
Then convince me there is no other hope for a resolution.
Then convince me I should get involved with.
Please leave me and my guns FAR AWAY from this socialistic wet dream of Robs.
Just suggesting your vigilantism
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 10:12pm.not really
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 10:14pm.Robert likens his actions to that of a Sheriff enforcing the law, when in fact I cannot find a specific law enabling the shutting down of roads to block the return of military equipment.
There are no laws about Jury Nullification either.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 10:18pm.Just
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 10:21pm.Keep me and my guns out of your analogies please. I have enough problems with people not understanding guns and gun ownership without someone seeing a wild theory or analogy and thinking that is what I am about.
My guns are to protect me. Not to uphold "international law" but for my own protection, and to aid in the protection of someone else as I see fit within the law and my morals. And as a last ditch to aid in the prevention of an invasion or other public defense. I don't see the need for armed revolution, but prefer to remain armed so the government has to deal with me and others like me as citizens and not subjects.
As long as you talk about how carrying guns will
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 10:33pm.The two are
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 10:45pm.Totally different subjects. I won't get into my positions again, but there is a big difference between being an armed citizen and using privately held arms to enforce some vague notion of international law. I will dismiss the argument, but I wished to make my stance perfectly plain.
I did not say Americans are not obligated to uphold international law. I do not believe a US Citizen should be using privately held arms to uphold international law. Big difference. I will use privately held arms to protect myself, or to protect someone else who is at risk of being killed or suffer greivous harm. I will not use them to uphold "international law" unless ordered by a competent authority to do so, per the US and State Constitutions. Until then I will stay far, far away from any sort of protest at the port.
I'd rather just let the whole arms angle go.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 11:45pm.Then I don't get it
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 11:51pm.After Rob made the sheriff comment I suggested a more appropriate analogy. IIRC this country has an interesting association with vigelantes anyhow. Sometimes for the good, sometimes not. At any rate since vigelantes take the law into their own hands with disregard for the law itself it seemed more approrpriate than the sheriff analogy Rob was using.
I for one use my arms within the bounds of the law and with respect to that law, so I fail to get the connection you are trying to make.
Enough Already
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 1:35am.Why haven't you gone to Washington and arrested them yet, Sheriff? Why don't you arrest me for believing Impeachment (especially at this point in time) would not only be wasteful but detrimental - after all that could conceivably be considered aiding and abetting.
By the way, since when is lying a Federal Offense?
go to D.C.
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 9:13am."Rice is great if you're
Submitted by NWarty on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 9:21am."Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something." - Mitch Hedberg
Rail
Submitted by Phil Owen on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 6:19pm.There used to be a very large movement in which people would sit on rail lines to stop the transport of nuclear materials. Don't be so certain that people won't do it again.
The Canaanite's Call
I'm sure there will be a few
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 6:11am.This doesn't change much
Submitted by a.future.with.n... on Wed, 06/11/2008 - 7:08pm.There are going to be bigger and more dedicated protests each time until they end the war or stop using the port. They could ship the strykers in by helicopter and it wouldn't matter. we'd still be there.
I really hope they just stop using the port because I'm tired of getting beaten up and covered in pepper spray. Unfortunately for them, my conscience will always trump my body.
I heard the next time around they're bringing out the national guard. I say bring it. It'll be interesting if nothing else.
Well I say c'mon Army,
Submitted by JT on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 6:53pm.my grandkids need some new shoes! :-)
Remember Phil, you promised awhile back to not make me pick you up and carry you to the paddy wagon!! :-)
Well, Gug, greasing the rail will get you some jail,,(hey I'm a poet),,,and maybe some greasing of your own/or not! :-(
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Can I
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 9:12pm.OC at the next protest? :-p Jusk Kidding!! I would stay away from that mess and carry deep concealed if I went downtown.