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Submitted by Jade on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 1:20am.
It seems that every college campus has to deal with a riot once in a while. The level to which they face it is proportional to the amount that heavy drinking and rowdiness are a pasttime at that particular college. What aggravates me is not so much the pattern of behavior itself (which seems to be some kind of weird biochemical response that mobs of college kids occasionally have to drinking.) It is the inevitable response from administration and community in the aftermath, which looks pretty similar each time.
» TESC administration is busy making the case that last night's concert-goers were "mostly not Evergreen students" (similar to their premature statement in response to the recent rape by a masked intruder on campus: Administration "did not think it was an Evergreen student". How do you decide that a masked intruder is or isn't a student? Greeners don't usually wear that type of thing? I mean, come on, there were no suspects. They had no physical description, but they somehow had a strong suspicion that it was not a student? And also, who cares?) So while the school is playing that game, the community is hijacking the story and turning it into justification for their biases and an opportunity for politicking. This looks like, "See, these greeners are the same anarchists that did blah blah blah protest, and this is what THOSE people do" or alternately, "See, this is what happens when you bring THAT kind of music into OUR community. It just attracts a bunch of OUT-of-TOWN, VIOLENT CRIMINALS, and it was probably some gangsters from LAKEWOOD just like that shooting at the club downtown". Come on, people. This has nothing to do with leftists, or black people, or whoever else you don't like having in our town. This has to do with the young adult party scene, and it happens everywhere. It is irresponsible to try to peg this incident on anyone except the INDIVIDUALS involved- whether they are black, white, frat boy, greener, soldier, redneck or leftist. Doing so makes you appear not very intelligent. I remember the riots on Greek Row at UW in 2003. I was living in Seattle at the time, and I remember the quote in the paper from some frat boy saying "I don't think most of them were students. These people did not seem like they were enrolled in college." All I could think was that if this event had happened in the neighborhood I was living in at the time, which was 85% black, the police response would probably have been a lot more aggressive, and the subsequent politicizing and racializing of the incident would have been absolutely explicit. But no one made a case for that this was a problem of mainstream white boys with too-much-money-for-their-own-good (though that case would probably have carried more weight than the former). Instead, everyone agreed that things got out of hand, that it probably was not because of UW, and that drinking was a factor, case closed. My eyeballs are starting to hurt from all the rolling, so can we all just please admit the following: 1.)College riots are not caused by anti-war activists or black people from Lakewood or rap music. They are caused by people drinking too much and getting rowdy. 2.)It probably was mostly Evergreen students. 3.) This is probably not because greeners are more predisposed to this kind of thing than other people, or because they get extra credit for it, or whatever. (See #1.) It is because it happened on Evergreen campus, a place which is frequented by mostly greeners. But also, who cares?
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Um,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 2:26am.All Ages Venue
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 10:26am.There are more appropriate words for a public website. See here.
Clear thinking is permitted! Thanks, Jade.
Submitted by Mike on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 9:36am.Hallelujah!
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 10:25am.Authority
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 10:31am.I don't think Jade's ignoring it...
Submitted by Rick on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 10:52am.It seems to be pretty well covered in the phrase: "[riots] are caused by people drinking too much and getting rowdy." Drinking and getting rowdy is an anti-authoritarian act by definition, isn't it?
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Huh?
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 1:03pm.No, I don't believe so. Alcohol certainly changes how people behave and react in situations but it's not a necessary ingredient for riots to take place.
It's my understanding that...
Submitted by Rick on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 1:33pm....hooliganism is down at football matches in England because of tighter alcohol control.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
It seemed to me that the
Submitted by Jade on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 3:41pm.When I read the accounts, it sounded to me like a situation where the police arrested someone for assault, and then people who were drunk and rowdy used politics to justify their actions. I don't really think their politics are what fueled the incident anymore than I think organized sports fuel riots. These things happen at college campuses and sports games all over- whether the crowd loves or hates law enforcement.Greek Row does not strike me as terribly anti-establishment, and yet they have had their issues with these type of behaviors as well.
Too many young men drinking too much alcohol seems to be the main uniting issue, not politics.
Jade
what I could not do...
Submitted by chad360 on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 10:58am.Here is an article that
Submitted by wildleaf on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 9:00pm.Here is an article that would seem to back up your interpretation. However, I think the Valentine's Riot was more complex and political then students rioting after a football game. People were attending a Dead Prez political rally, more or less, and came outside to a situation that looked really bad. A black man in the back of a police car with people saying it wasn't his fault. They used techniques of protest to stop the car from going forward and shouted rally slogans. After the police used force the students reacted with cop repelling techniques that are pretty standard at political protests.
Everything points to this being different.
I also want to make a point that riots at colleges that aren't political are often a reaction on some level against authoritarianism. Even the fraternity kids don't like the ever more repressive and gloomy outlook young people face.
"Experts believe the small core of college students who riot for fun do so because being part of a mob both empowers them and gives them anonymity," according to the CNN article linked above.
This would make it seem that people have a need for empowerment that is not being met. It also might show that with our increasing isolation and debillitating individualism we relish the comfort found in groups.
I'm convinced that an increase in school shootings, rioting and drug use are all subconcious forms of protest against an oppressive and dire time, and they seem to be happening more frequently.
Well spoken.
Submitted by Phil Owen on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 9:05pm.Very thoughtful comment. We're the Fight Club generation, angry at a system that increasingly limits our potential and pushes us to dehumanize our neighbors.
Rioting and other kinds of misbehavior are likely symptoms of an angry generation, but hardly the answer to creating a more just and humane system.
The Canaanite's Call
Very good points,
Submitted by Jade on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 9:14pm.Jade
The fact that human
Submitted by ctqwn on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 11:45pm.The fact that human testosterone levels are at their highest when we're in our early twenties (this includes both men and women) combined w/ the fact that most people don't have fully developed judgement making centers in their brains until their late twenties could be a significant factor in how these kinds of situations happen. Throw in some alcohol and/or other conciousness altering substances, and it's a wonder that some of us survived that age.
As for the anger factor, I believed thirty years ago that too many children were being brought up in daycares, not knowing their mothers or fathers. But that was just the beginning, wasn't it?
I went to high school w/ kids who drove their pickups to school w/ guns in the gunracks, and nobody could ever have imagined school shootings then, so something is different now, for sure.
What happened at TESC, like previous incidents at WSU, UW, and other schools, was a mob action. People do things they wouldn't do as individuals when they are part of a large group. It's part of our nature, though this is not meant as an excuse, but rather as an explanation. And, it's law enforcement's job to be aware of human nature and plan for it so things don't get out of hand. It's fortunate that it was just property damaged, and no one was hurt in the meleé the other night.