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Submitted by Mike on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 7:06am.
I attended the City Council meeting last night to speak for the sanctuary city proposal. I was signed up to read the Olympia Friends Meeting minute on support for war resisters but the public comment period was short and I did not get to the podium so I made the comments in written form. Saw a few of you there. Jeff Brigham was articulate. A little off the mark on a few points I thought, but I found myself shaking my head in agreement with some of his comments. Bauermeister was engaging and entertaining and I think the plaid pants will work in his stand-up routine, well done, I say. Bert was there taking pictures, so there may be art available from the event along with Bert's usual persistent peaceful, leftist take on things (I will read and shake my head in agreement I suspect). But here is the thing I woke up thinking this morning: Apparently vandals broke windows on Joe Hyer's business and somebody else's business. There was thought that this was coercion and attempts to essentially extort political decisions through the targeting of the city council business. I think Olyblog and OMJP and the Port Resistance Movement and the community in general should collect funds to repair any damage. Let's dig into our own pockets and share the cost. None of us should be targeted in this way. I have a $20.00 bill to start the donations for the repair fund. Anybody care to join me?
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What a swell idea! From
Submitted by Common Sense on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 8:41am.I'll donate $20...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 9:00am.Spread the word,
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 9:14am.I will not in any way, shape
Submitted by Common Sense on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 11:30am.Which groups?
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:37pm.We've beat that horse to
Submitted by Common Sense on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:19pm.Oh, sorry
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 4:00pm.by posting here, Common Sense
Submitted by Mike on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:23pm.you have established an association with with these groups. Lots of folks who post here regularly, including me, are actively involved in groups you appear to want to avoid completely.
Be that as it may, this fundraising for our neighbors in the community who give their time and energy to work on the City Council and get vandalism of their property as a thank you for their work is non-partisan. I mean the invitation to be open to anyone who thinks that it was absolutely wrong for these people to be targeted in this way. It is a gesture of solidarity with the injured parties.
No one gets demonized. No one should get singled out for this poor treatment. We stand with them on this matter. We send a signal to anyone who thinks this kind of behavior is going to hurt these folks, our neighbors, that we are there to support them and help in any way. Standing with them and supporting them has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with declaring this to be a civil community. Outspoken, demonstrative at times, but non-violent and civil.
If that's the presumption
Submitted by Common Sense on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:37pm.No,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:51pm.The clarity of "groups"...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:07pm....eludes me.
Am I an unkowing adept to some secret society or something?
What's the initiation? Do we get robes?
No robes for you!!
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:18pm.Ignore Norm Yoda, He lies. We do get Robes
Submitted by Laurian on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:24pm.Then make mine red :)
Submitted by Common Sense on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:49pm.decoder rings
Submitted by Mike on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 6:52am.count vowels, subtract consonants, look for the prime numbers, secret message read backward.
Robes? I didn't get a robe.
Read carefully, Rob
Submitted by Mike on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 6:57am.Common Sense and I both used the word "associated" Are you clear what constitutes an association? I am not.
I grew up in the aftermath of the McCarthy communist hunting era when the most tenuous association between people was sufficient to ruin careers and lives. I see it happening again today when Islamic charities are tarred for an association with terrorist groups, but the association is again so tenuous as to be non-existent.
We are all associated. I think that is my take and one of my processes is to use the associations that we all have to see if we can be more charitable, more tolerant toward each other.
Common Sense's desire to avoid any association strikes me as wrong-headed and impossible. But you are correct that Olyblog is no more associated with the groups that Common Sense seeks to avoid than many Islamic charities are associated with Al Qaeda. You follow?
I don't know where you're going, and I'm not following.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 9:56am.Off topic - so I would like to limit the discussion
Submitted by Mike on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 7:18am.I accept that you don't follow what I am talking about. You are mistaken on the issue of association. I think I am using exactly the definition of association that CS would use in deciding that an association existed in a different political context. Association is a very vague concept that is misused for political purposes.
Because of your past work with B&R, a person might say you are associated with known drug dealers and addicts, felons etc. What does that mean? Nothing, because context for the association is an important factor that is being deliberately ignored to produce a political smear. You get swift-boated through an association. But if you want to explore this further and try to understand what I talking about, let's take it to a new thread please.
If they did...
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 9:05am.I think we ask Olyblog - if they would like to steward
Submitted by Mike on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 12:17pm.this idea. They (docents?) would then need to contact the City to make the offer on behalf of the Olyblog community. One of the attractions of that model is that we could use the regular Olyblog donation process and simply earmark the donations. I know the earmarking process gets a bad name, but not every bridge that gets built through earmarks is a bridge to nowhere.
Also, probably a good idea to make a routine call for matching donations for non-earmarked funds for the generous bandwidth provided, but one thing at a time.
This is a fabulous idea! I
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 12:31pm.I agree. Easier and better to
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 12:36pm.makes sense
Submitted by Mike on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:08pm.I like the idea
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 1:05pm.Thank you, Norm.
Submitted by Mike on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:12pm.Thanks, and thanks for bringing this up.
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:43pm.This is a great idea.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:26pm.Thank you, Rob for taking the initiative on the contact
Submitted by Mike on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:10pm.While I appreciate the nature of the gesture...
Submitted by DSnyder on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:27pm.it seems like it'd be more appropriate to just file a vandalism claim.
I assume you are talking about an insurance claim.
Submitted by Mike on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:34pm.and if so, then over time, if a person is targeted repeatedly then the insurance rate goes up and there is then still a cost borne by the injured party. Plus, in these cases, standing exposed and targeted is crummy. Having people come to your assistance is comforting. I have experience that first hand. It feels good to have people stand with you.
There is also the issue of sending a signal to the perps in these cases that does not happen if we shrug and say, well, insurance will cover it, right?
In or out, your choice. Either way, thanks for the comment.
What he said...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:38pm.I'm not saying no support can be offered.
Submitted by DSnyder on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:51pm.just that maybe emptying all our pockets might not be the best way to do it. It might be nice to give something to cover a deductible or rise in rates, although that might be negligible (to Joe) if it's not a recurring thing.
I'm not sure if vandals would necessarily be deterred by community members paying for it instead of insurance companies. I think lack of concern for community, however you define it, led to the rock-throwing in the first place.
I don't mean to sit around and criticise people for offering money for repairs. I think it is a kind thing to do.
I think you're wrong...
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:56pm.I suppose that was a poor choice of wording.
Submitted by DSnyder on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:18pm.This is a tough one
Submitted by Laurian on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:42pm.In principle I'm against donating money to a private business. We give money to a business when we buy things. That's the essence of business in a capitalist system. Send that $20.00 donation to B&R or some other struggling non-profit.
What I think we should all do is go to Alpine Experience and buy something we've wanted but in our head we couldn't quite justify. And as we hand over our cash for that cool headlamp or camp stove, we should make a point of tell the clerk we chose to buy that item at A.E. because of the injustice Joe suffered. It's a win/win. We get cool shit, Joe gets money, and we further build a sense of community. This might be a really good way to spend Bush's Bribe check.
I'd rather...
Submitted by nynell.evan on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 10:38pm.Response from Joe Hyer
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 1:13am.I actually perused through OlyBlog on Sunday night, to see what the community was saying about the events on Thursday- and it really lifted my spirits, seeing so many condemning the violence, questioning how it could happen in OUR community. I was shocked- and I learned I was not alone.
So to see the community at Olyblog willing to raise funds to help pay for damage- It's a wonderful and meaningful gesture of support. Olympia is a community that continues to amaze me.
Luckily, rocks were thrown through the windows leading into our Ski Shop, not the retail floor. This kept product and the carpets from getting damaged at all. We had also just gotten bids to actually replace the siding and the windows along that whole side of the building, with new energy efficient ones. So I am not going to file an insurance claim for the damage, as it was going to be replaced anyway. The only real cost I incurred that wasn't planned was my carpenter's time to cover and paint and such. Probably came to about $200.
As I looked through the posts, though, one of the latest ones really hit home for me - saying it felt odd to donate funds to a private business...as I would feel odd taking them too. The offer is really what matters. That person did have a great idea, and one I have often utilized myself. The best thing folks can do to support us, rather than donate, is to come shopping, and let us know they are doing it support us because of this incident. I know, I know ... I don't like to promote blatant 'consumerism'- but we do specialize in durable, long lasting products, and most of our vendors have a strong commitment to sustainability.
Whenever a downtown business is hit with a theft, an emergency, a natural disaster, that's what I do. Go out of my way to shop there, support them through my patronage, because that's what they need most to stay in business.
Also today, I had a local contractor come into the store and offer to do any needed repairs from the vandalism for free. The owner was born and raised here, and really felt that iin times like these, our community needed to come together. I thanked him profusely, but let him know about the scheduled repairs.
So please, OlyBlog community, come by and talk with my employees, let them know you support us. I often worry about the impact on them for my service on the Council, as so many difficult issues come up.
As I said, it was the words, more than the rocks, that hurt the most. Last night at Council, I refrained from speaking much on this issue, because I am still trying to process how such things can happen in our community. I think we all need some time to heal, to regain perspective- to let the anger dissipate so we can rise above it, perhaps, into a better understanding of how we came to this...so that it never has to happen again.
Thanks again for the support and kind words,
Joe
The venomous and hateful words in the single comment
Submitted by Mike on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 6:43am.I read directed at Joe disturbed me. It was a demonization. An attempt to dehumanize and that process often accompanies attacks. That is not a progressive model as I understand it.
I am not clear if Joe is saying no to the donations. I am going to hit the tip jar with my $20, anyone else that wants to do so is welcome to join me. I am content to let the Olyblog treasury department disburse the funds as they deem appropriate.
To clarify what Joe is saying.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 10:03am.$20
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 12:33pm.(No subject)
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 12:48pm.shopping solves problems
Submitted by nynell.evan on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 10:34pm.If you want to give away $20.00 bucks and Joe won't take it
Submitted by Laurian on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 10:34pm.Me too!
Submitted by a.future.with.n... on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 12:48am.Buy me some of those rugged
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 9:05am.Those things are worth their weight in gold!
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 10:06am.