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Submitted by gshafer5571 on Mon, 07/03/2006 - 9:44pm.
I recently visited Ralph's Thriftway. I am a supporter for the Stormans' stand against the Plan B pill. I will be doing most of my shopping at the store for the next several weeks. During my recent visit I wanted to update all of you that are no longer showing up at the store. The store seems to be doing fine. The last two times I have been in there the parking lot was packed and the store was extremely busy. I can't honostly say what their financial status is since the boycott has begun but by my observation nothing has changed except some new faces. I wanted to congradulate anybody that is reading this that is supporting Ralph's during this period. By what I see the store will not be hurt financially whatsover and profits may even increase. Keep up the good work.
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That's not what I heard
Submitted by jlw on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 1:55am.I didn't question
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 2:45am.Gary, I'm curious
Submitted by V-ster on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 3:15am.Yeah, Gary, please tell us why you support this--
Submitted by chad360 on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 4:06am.That is what you expect these females to do--
Don't you have any respect for a woman'r right to chose?
Do you also support other causes that take away a woman's right to choose? Like female circumcison? Yeah, Gary, where are you at?
Hmmm
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 4:38am.I actually have a problem with this one Chad. If a woman is assaulted they need to be talking with the police and/or going to the emergency room. Ralph's thriftway pharmacy is not the appropriate venture for dealing with something like this. If people use Plan B as a way to keep a rape under wraps and not report it, then it is serving the wrong purpose and that needs to be addressed.
Let's not get on the topic of circumcision, that's a whole different can of worms. Male and Female both.
I didn't hear Chad saying to not report it...
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 5:23am.Assault is a tricky issue
Submitted by jlw on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 6:16am.yes, what she said
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 6:32am."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
Am I missing something...
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 1:07pm.I would hope so
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 1:42pm.Ah, of course...
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 3:40pm.Ok, just to start off
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 3:47pm.Rape is hard to prove...
Submitted by jlw on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 5:26pm.Sorry Norm,
Submitted by Phil Owen on Wed, 07/05/2006 - 5:03am.For the survivor, to win in court is often a pyrrhic (sp?) victory. And often they lose, enduring humiliation and suffering for no reason.
Deal with it man. The world sucks sometimes.
Well I would hope a defense
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 07/05/2006 - 5:05am.Well I would hope a defense attorney isn't treating the alleged victim with kit gloves.
The point is to prove yourself innocent before your peers.
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern."
Sure TFI, but the point of
Submitted by Phil Owen on Wed, 07/05/2006 - 8:23am.I know it happens
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 07/05/2006 - 5:27am.We need a coop pharmacy.
Submitted by Mike on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 5:30am.Amen. Let's bring Stan
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 6:21am.I bet people talked about it at church
Submitted by jlw on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 6:18am.Beware new Ralph's shoppers
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 1:04pm."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
The Point of the Protest was Choice
Submitted by Crusty on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 12:55pm.re: prohibitions of patriarchal values
Submitted by youarealldevo on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 1:30pm.I suppose the Boycott supporters should just go away
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Tue, 07/04/2006 - 6:50pm."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
re: but in your heart you know what he is doing is wrong.
Submitted by youarealldevo on Wed, 07/05/2006 - 1:48pm.According to Martin Luther King.
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Wed, 07/05/2006 - 2:08pm."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
I understand your point
Submitted by youarealldevo on Wed, 07/05/2006 - 4:02pm.For me to do something like
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Wed, 07/05/2006 - 5:29pm."I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
you're off the issue
Submitted by youarealldevo on Wed, 07/05/2006 - 8:41pm.Why Red Letter the Women for Societal Wrongs?
Submitted by Crusty on Wed, 07/05/2006 - 3:35pm.Give women a choice and don't ask why they make it. Let the men talk among themselves about the hard choices faced by women family members, then, now, and what they want for their daughters. For my daughter, I choose what my mother fought to give me, the right to choose and the right to make it no one's damned business but my own. I trust my daughter with her choices. Why can't other people trust theirs? We can't be parents in charge of our children all their lives. At some point they need to choose their own values and live by them and with them. I hope she rejects a few of mine personally. Some of them were false. Some were good. Let her decide in her younger generation wisdom. Take what you like and dump the rest. Perhaps her generation will succeed with some of the peace making where mine failed or faltered or floundered. And human rights. And racism. And harm reduction. And people just plain getting along and trying to understand each other. Its better than it was in the 1950's and 1960's, but is it really anywhere near what any of us older ones wanted when we were young? I doubt it. I had a dream, many dreams, just like Martin Luthor King, and I still do. For my children and their children.
I really hope women get the equal respect and dignity they deserve within the human race and without the interrogation and red lettering. They didn't have it when I was young and working and they don't have it now. We are still arguing their broodmare status. Is it her fault? Prove it. Prove it with evidence in court. Talk about it. Be really ashamed of it. Are you sure you didn't ask to have this happen to you. What about all the women liars. Well if they won't talk don't listen. And if they have babies make sure we don't have to pay more taxes. Force them all to work. Force the fathers to pay instead of Uncle Sam. If they don't have fathers, well let them suffer in poverty and hope everything turns out OK. Make sure you send them to prison more and at younger and younger ages. Try them as adults. Build more prisons. Invent more offenses. We have a war on drugs, a war for oil, what else can we war about? Religion? I think we are doing that too. School? Where we live? Who lives beside us?
Just think about it. We need to work on a little more equality for the children too. At least in terms of basic needs. For now, give mothers and would be mothers those choices. And we ought to look toward the family values of the cave people who managed to get along together in one cave, or so I hear. They did have to spread out and get more caves. Study the old cave drawings for family values and see if we can reinvent some ones that allow us to get along better. I wonder if cave people had NIMBY and let other people sleep outside in the cold because they weren't sure if they could trust them to be good people or not. I wonder if they shared food when food was scarce or helped heal each other just because someone was hurt.
Our true and best family values may be those we had in the cave and those we still have. Same with religious. The common cultural denominators, not the isolated regional differences. Our human race is on the way to extinction, along with much of the planet, if we don't figure out how to live with each other and let each of us have choices. A few basic rules for living, but not this complicated architecture of judging everyone around us as having less choices than we would give our own children in the worst imaginable circumstances. We need to quit judging each other so harshly. Women are a good place to start. They generally represent about half of each generation in every species. Look at all their circumstances as a whole, and all the circumstances they create and must endure to have children. Quit judging and start supporting and healing.
If you really want to make this thinking hard to think about, start with the women in prisons and the women drug users. What happened to them? Were they born of bad seed? How didn't we protect them? Can we do something today that should have been done long ago? Can we help them help themselves? Women's choice over birthing is only part of it. Women's lack of choice over conception is a bigger part. Not keeping children safe or provided for is another bigger part, their children, or their lives as children and young women. I think society needs to get over it and get on with it, not just the women. We can't legislate all the wrongs in living that can happen. We can quit being so harsh.
Bingo, and you'll be Gary, Indiana.
Submitted by youarealldevo on Wed, 07/05/2006 - 10:29pm."One moment please. I bring you a message. Exactly six miles north of
scag mountain, in a valley of pain, there lives an evil devil monster.
His name is Bingo, gas station, motel, cheese burger with a side of
aircraft noise, and you'll be Gary, Indiana. And he LOVES to hurt
people. The last time I saw Bingo, gas station, motel, cheese burger
with a side of aircraft noise, and you'll be Gary, Indiana, he told me
what he wants to do- he wants to come down here and kill each and every
one of you. But I said to him, Bingo, wait a minute. And the reason I
said that is because I believe in you people. I believe you can do the
job. I believe you can help each other. I believe you can make this
world a better place to live in. That's it."
- Robert Downey's "Greaser's Palace"