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Submitted by Rick on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:37am.
OlyBlog is an operation that is run by volunteers. Now, those of you who have worked in such organizations, you know that volunteers have full lives, and things get done when people have the time and energy to do them. There are a couple of important thing for folks who benefit from this volunteer labor to understand:
We've seen what the toll of not understanding these principles can take on our organization. Sarah, the most gentle soul on the entire planet, has become burned out, partly due to the rancor in the comments, but also due to abuse from users about management. It is shocking to me that someone who has invested so much for this organization should be treated so poorly.
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Excellent points Rick.
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:52am.But even some of the toughest gung-ho diehard volunteers have jobs and families that always come first.
Please give me a second grace. Please give me a second face. I've fallen far down, the first time around, now I just sit on the ground in your way.
Nick Drake
My suggestion
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:11am.I suggest that everyone, me included, make sure that an "attack" or "rancor" is truly such and not just passing sarcasm, which can be easily misunderstood in print.
I'm believing Rob when he says I took his humor wrong a couple of weeks ago. Norm also.
I'd like to think that my attempts to draw attention to the fact that I was having trouble posting was not anything but just that. I had PM'd a docent, but the problem hadn't improved and in fact, it worsened. I'm a computer dummy, thus I can't "take care of it myself". I threw up some flare signals, which is all I knew to do.
Burn out - been there, done that. I recently had to resign from the Board of Directors of an organization that I like, because there was too much conflict with my day job responsibilities. Directors are encouraged to take time off and not serve infinite time because of burn out.
Berating no one should be tolerated. May I be so bold as to suggest that "grow up" is not a healthy conversation between any of us?
I think that we are all just a bit on edge due to our passions about the issues of the past week. As Gug says, let's all breathe
So your suggestion is...
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:27am....that those "who live under the horrifying illusion that the docents control the politics of the threads," as Guglielmo put it, should be able to cast aspersions, and we should just sit back and not respond? Frankly, that pisses me off. It's ungrateful, and it's childish. You, and others, talk about how you're so immune to other's opinions, but the very instant I show the least bit of emotion about something that I am deeply invested in, you have a cow. What's up with that?
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -C.P. Snow
I guess you're addressing me, Rick
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:52am.What is your expectation so that I can meet it and you can know that I appreciate the work that the docents do?
I'd like to find a resolution, as opposed to pissing you off.
At the same time, I'm not going to ignore that we are all guilty of pissing people off at times.
Yes, many of us have pissed someone off at least once
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:06am.I guess I'm misunderstanding
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:14am.the difference.
If there is a separate category of behavior for docents and members, so be it.
Perhaps I didn't explain it clearly
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:27am.Shut Down the Thread
Submitted by Ehver Green on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:30am.It would be ugly at the beginning (and I'm sure I'd be guilty of shutting down a thread) but it would go a long way in communicating how serious the community is about being civil.
Oh God it hurts!!
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:42am.Thanks for the explanation
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:41am.I've said enough.
You lie
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:49am.Yikes, you just said you
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:52am.Please give me a second grace. Please give me a second face. I've fallen far down, the first time around, now I just sit on the ground in your way.
Nick Drake
Serious as hell
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:56am.A good reason to avoid sarcasm altogether
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:41am.not a fan of humor at all...
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 11:06am.social contract?
Submitted by chad360 on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:47am.I'd sign an online or mailed "social contract agreement" to use OlyBlog (like a EULA), and provide "real-world" info so that I can be legally held accountable for my speech choices (whether to engage in hate speech or not, whether to libel or defame, etc...).
It should not be the network provider nor networked application provider legal responsibility to handle user "problems"
--users need support, even users that are "gaming" the system...that is where design theory comes into play...gotta build the correct mousetrap >blah, blah, blah<
--it is either that or some such peer ratings system for every user that controls how/when they can post comments on threads (usually doesn't impact user ability to create/post self-originating content on user blogspace).
Just thoughts--
Frankly regardless of what "clue-train" you are on, the "idea" of social network/community network blogging (location blogging) needs to be rationalized as either a benefit to society or a useless waste of time & unnecessary consumption of energy & resources--
I still think running applications on the net for the local community (like services), would be a better focus for Rick: multi-user domains and shared environments (like games!), and VoIP, and computer savvy support for things like direct connection & file sharing >big grin<
I'd relax and let all these fiesty local OlyBlog users get savvy enuf to run their own personal blogspace, and see how it goes--
Sure, encourage/foster local blogging about Olympia, WA/South Sound as a theme across MANY, MANY 'blogs...not just one site.
I read many 'bloggers on their own respective sites anyways, and RSS makes it easy (as well all know) to take what thread(s) I want from many 'blogs and make content for myself on my own site...many different ways to build a better mousetrap >grin<
Any thoughts?
FYI
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:54am.http://www.olyblog.net/my-compliments
Dear olyblog community
Submitted by micah on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 7:37am.