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Submitted by wildleaf on Fri, 02/15/2008 - 3:11pm.
A police car remains flipped over and destroyed behind the Evergreen gym this morning. It is a silent reminder of an infamous Valentine’s night. It is important that we try and make some sense of what happened and why. What made hundreds of students surrounding a cop car start chanting for the release of a black man in the back of the vehicle? What made the chanting and blockading become pepper-spray and broken bottles? The majority won’t look very far for the answers to these questions. Most administrators, faculty, staff, students, media and police will take certain stances that are predictable and simple. Their reactions will be based in stereotypes. Unless we reject these answers as insufficient, valuable understanding will be lost. A better understanding of why students sat covering their swollen eyes unable to breath and cops were forced into retreating away from a myriad of thrown projectiles can be discovered in a historical context. Olympia passed a law that effectively banishes the homeless from downtown. Police downtown increase their arrests and harassment for frivolous crimes like jay walking. Evergreeners were maliciously brutalized at the Port of Olympia protests by cops earlier this winter. All these are local issues that make this campus upset. On a larger level students are fed up with a war in Iraq led by a president they hate. This causes a legitimate sense of powerlessness over their government. Issues like global warming and a rapidly recessing economy portend towards hopelessness about their future. These, along with mounting school loans, are common worries of college students everywhere in America. Here at Evergreen these troubles have started to lead towards action. The students acted decisively to stop the vehicle and free the black man. Why he was arrested didn’t seem to matter. The challenge was towards the cops, towards the systemic racism that leaves black people poor, in jail, and without opportunities. The students chanted to the cops, “let him go,” and the cops ignored their demands at first. A half hour later, when people began pounding on the cop car and objects began to be thrown, they listened and the man was freed, only after he gave them his name. The police used pepper-spray on the faces of the students. They had their tazers ready in hand. The students continued to throw objects at the police car as it and the other ten cop cars slowly backed up and left. One car was left behind empty and the students went to work on flipping it over and destroying it. The students were unrestrained but not out of control. They focused on removing the cops from the area and destroying the remaining car while rallying solidarity. Students showed solidarity against the police and for destroying the implements of capitalist control. Keep in mind the historic context, the powerlessness within the system, the hopeless futures not as good as their parents and much worse for their kids. Currently civilization is facing problems of a magnitude that they cannot solve through simple changes in elected officials, new laws or $600 buyouts. As the lives of the poor and the entire young generation get worse, these incidents will become more frequent. It is going to begin looking more cohesive too. Don’t fear the masses when they are unrestrained like this. This is a healthy destruction.
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Oh, the plight of the
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Fri, 02/15/2008 - 3:17pm.Oh, the plight of the Evergreen student!
Let my people go, let my people go!
destroying the tools of capitalist control
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 02/15/2008 - 3:22pm.Theoretically speaking, once the tools of capitalist control are destroyed, what will they be replaced with?
Will they be replaced with the same bullshit system that views violence as a means to an end?
Good question...
Submitted by wildleaf on Fri, 02/15/2008 - 3:35pm.capitalism is failing
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 02/15/2008 - 5:15pm.What is violence?
Submitted by wildleaf on Fri, 02/15/2008 - 5:44pm.violence, anger, hate
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 02/15/2008 - 11:43pm.I don't believe that anger is a natural human emotion. I think we are taught anger as a way to get what we want. There are better ways: maybe not as easy, maybe not always as effective - but there are better ways to get what we want and to meet our needs than demonstrating angrily and using violence.
What is violence? Good question. General definitions of violence are difficult to make, because violence can be very personal and we all differ in terms of our sensitivities and our soft points. So what may be violent to one person may not be violent to another. It is important to keep that in mind.
However, I think there are some broad generalizations that can be made. I prefer the definition of violent behavior as that which intends to do harm. Purposefully harming another being, especially when it is an end in itself - for example to demonstrate anger - is violent. Slavery is violence. ecological degradation is violence - because it does harm. I think the concept of harm is very closely related to defining violence.
It is also very closely tied with intent. Yelling may seem violent, but if its purpose is to stop a war, then perhaps it is not malicious, and can even be conducted in the absence of anger. It is possible to yell out of love.
And when the nuns broke into a missile silo in Colorado (I think) to spill their blood and strike it with hammers that was an act of love, it may have appeared violent, but it was truly nonviolent at its core. The intent was to stop a much greater potential violence and no one was harmed (except maybe the 200 ton {or whatever} missile silo cover.)
In contrast, saying "die pigs die" does not qualify as nonviolent. It hurts feelings. I can see no constructive purpose there. The police are (by and large) not the enemy. It there is an enemy it is the system. It is ignorance and apathy. We need to educate and inspire and encourage people to become involved in social change. We need an open, honest, inclusive movement that appeals to the broadest possible audience. Violence and hate discourage inclusiveness, especially for those people who are already marginalized or in fear. Let's hold each other up rather that put each other down. Let's empower the police officers to do the right thing. Let's discourage them from reacting to hostile and hateful rhetoric.
Violence is harmful and destructive. "Nonviolence" is creative and life-serving.
Violence hate and anger run counter to the creation of a peaceful sustainable society.
Oh wow
Submitted by Jurjen S. on Fri, 02/15/2008 - 5:48pm.Some ornery students--if they even were students--overturned a sheriff's deputy's car in western Washington. If this doesn't cause the immediate resignation of the Bush administration and the righting of all social wrongs, I don't know what will(!)
You know how many formal complaints the TESC Police Services Comunity Review Board has received with regard to the conduct of Police Services this academic year? Zero. It's one thing to get frustrated when you've pursued all available avenues of redress of grievances and come away with an unsatisfactory response at every turn. But when you can't even be bothered to find out that there exists an independent review board and take your complaint to them, there is no excuse for your subsequent behavior.
Here's something that maybe of interest in this regard: cops don't like using OC spray. There's a risk some of it will blow back onto the user, and once the stuff is on the suspect, it tends to get onto everything the suspect subsequently comes into contact with, such as the arresting officers' uniforms, the inside of the squad car, you name it, and it's a bitch to clean off. As a result, cops try to avoid using the stuff unless they feel it is genuinely necessary; given the associated hassle, they are not inclined to use it frivolously, as you suggest.
It is not about that.
Submitted by wildleaf on Fri, 02/15/2008 - 6:50pm.You are way, way off.
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 02/15/2008 - 10:02pm.So...
Submitted by Tschida on Fri, 02/15/2008 - 10:24pm.According to you "rich" people don't go to jail, or get arrested or... What? How close to reality do you think that is?
But it is good to see a liberal acting predictably by trying to stir up a class warfare kind of issue by making such remarks. Any minute now I am sure Rick will be along to tell you not to use mischaraterizations or stereotypes.
Enjoy.
C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Well, how close to reality is that?
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 2:33am.Pay attention, Chris...
Submitted by Rick on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 10:28am....you might learn something from wildleaf -- i.e., how to express a controversial and unpopular opinion in a perfectly respectable manner. No names, belittling, or snark. Check it out.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
You need a ladder to get on
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 10:34am.No high horse necessary
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 12:49pm.to deal with Mr "Breck Girl." But it's good to see you "righties" doing what I always expect you to do so I can call you "righties"... This is really all the high horse anyone needs to deal with that crap.
Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
As a nice comfortable middle class person
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 02/15/2008 - 10:30pm.I can assure you that I have been victim of a couple of ridiculous calls by OPD. I do believe I have detailed them here for personal consumption.
At any rate I find it amusing that instead of suggesting that riots and desctruction of public property for a minor arrest are wrong you instead criticize the system and police. Bet you'll be quick to call these defenders of the rich if your home is being robbed, or you have been attacked.
Bet you're unwilling to arm yourself too.
The story so far: In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people mad and been widely regarded as a bad idea. -The Restaurant at the end of the Universe
Yeah, I don't say that they are wrong
Submitted by wildleaf on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 1:12am.You get what you put in
Submitted by security_six on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 12:44pm.Twice I have had to wage conflict with local police agencies. Once when I lived in San Diego County and the Harbor Police busted their @$$ to earn the title "Water Nazis" I was living on a sailboat in a designated anchorage in the bay, and to an individual we were all treated as subhuman and filth.
Let me suffice it to say I soon became a rare exception to that viewpoint. Being white and male had nothing to do with it, most of us out there were white males, so don't even start on "privleged"
We all know what I am doing here in Olympia.
The police give what you expect of them. Sometimes you have to push a little harder. It's not usually the individual officers, but the organization that runs the place.
I treat individual officers based on what they give me. I treat an organization based on what they give the community.
The organization treats the community as the community demands. The squeaky wheel gets oiled and all that jazz.
The story so far: In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people mad and been widely regarded as a bad idea. -The Restaurant at the end of the Universe
Oh really.
Submitted by Phil Owen on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 8:39pm."Students showed solidarity against the police and for destroying the implements of capitalist control."
There are two very common signs for uncontrolled schizophrenia: 1. Paranoia and excessive fear of "conspiracies" and 2. Delusions of grandeur. It impresses me how often these two signs show up - with amazing clarity and resilience - among under-developed, inexperienced, myopic, and un-thinking (usually "radical") activists.
The "implements of capitalist control" have been quite unaffected by the recent and unfortunate antics at Evergreen. And one can hardly pause without noting the extraordinary resentment that this kind of behavior engenders among common people - not towards the police, but towards Evergreen and its students.
There is a world of difference, Mr. Wildleaf, between solidarity and mob mentality. What happened at that hip-hop show has nothing in common with solidarity.
The Canaanite's Call
I have an implement of capitalist control in my...
Submitted by security_six on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 9:31pm.Boat :-) Haha! You all thought I was going to get dirty here.... Sorry felt a little humor wouldn't hurt.
The story so far: In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people mad and been widely regarded as a bad idea. -The Restaurant at the end of the Universe
Madness isn't my excuse
Submitted by wildleaf on Sat, 02/16/2008 - 10:00pm.Nice job, wildleaf.
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 02/17/2008 - 7:40pm.