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The Seventeen Traditions, by Ralph Nader

Submitted by Bert on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 2:38pm.

The Seventeen Traditions, by Ralph Nader

Table of Contents

Introduction: The Landscape of My Boyhood 1
1. The Tradition of Listening 33
2. The Tradition of the Family Table 39
3. The Tradition of Health 47
4. The Tradition of History 51
5. The Tradition of Scarcity 59
6. The Tradition of Sibling Equality 63
7. The Tradition of Education and Argument 69
8. The Tradition of Discipline 79
9. The Tradition of Simple Enjoyments 85
10. The Tradition of Reciprocity 93
11. The Tradition of Independent thinking 99
12. The Tradition of Charity 105
13. The Tradition of Work 111
14. The Tradition of Business 117
15. The Tradition of Patriotism 123
16. The Tradition of Solitude 129
17. The Tradition of Civics 135

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where are we at here Bert

Submitted by chad360 on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 3:36pm.

OK, thanks for the tip on a book, but where are you at here?

chad360

Where I Am At Here

Submitted by Bert on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 9:23pm.

This book is about values. Here we have a candidate for the public office of the President of the nation. Look at these values.

Why isn't this candidate allowed to participate in the election?

Who is telling us that Nader/Gonzales is not a valid choice?

These are the values that I want in the White House.

only ethics for me

Submitted by chad360 on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 10:06am.

Thanks Bert-

-in part, I think the answer is about the polarization of the American politics around a two-party system and money in politics.

I want my leaders to focus on the ethics of economic globalization and basic human rights, and pretty much stay out of the rest of American life, so I'm not looking for a values or moral leader....and in my lifetime I have seen none:

Clinton signed rendition into law & disgraced the office with scandal-

Reagan was into DARE-

Cheney's last 8 years leading the Christian fool Bush around has been just awful...human rights and the process of law went right out the window with these goons-

-so, I certainly don't want some moralist telling me what is of value (I respect alot of folks I'd never want as President).

Counter question, "Why hasn't the position of President attracted an economist?"

chad360

Nader speaks about 17

Submitted by Bert on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 9:38pm.

Nader speaks about 17 Traditions

Why isn't this candidate

Submitted by Laurian on Sun, 10/12/2008 - 11:45am.

Why isn't this candidate allowed to participate in the election?

Nader is participating. He is on enough state ballots to theoretically win the electoral college.Why is he not part of the debates? Perhaps polling less than 2% might have something to do with it. Same reason my beloved Socialist Party isn't on the stage.

Who is telling us that Nader/Gonzales is not a valid choice?

Nobody. It's not whether their campaign is valid or not, it is that their campaign is simply irrelevant. The simple fact is Nader does not have enough votes to win the electoral college.

Bert I invite you to come down off the hill and work on an actual campaign where you will learn what democracy really is. It means hard work, compromise and the ability to speak to people who disagree with you. It's about dialouge, not the heart felt monologue you engage in around here.

On Nader...

Submitted by chad360 on Sun, 10/12/2008 - 2:28pm.

...well, I'm OK with whatever Bert wants to believe in, but I also agree with some compromise-

-I'm not a political junkie, but my wife said that if folks in FL had not voted Nader, then Gore would have been on top, no prob (but that is hindsight, and only worth noting in context of then, not now).

My question, has Nader even been elected to any public government position?

Has Nader been a governor, in the Congress, or anything more than a consumer rights advocate?

I feel that experience does matter when dealing with the "body politic" here is the US-

-this is just my opinion, and not meant as a slam on Ralph...he seems like a OK guy.

chad360

Yeah, I've often wondered why he

Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 10/12/2008 - 2:34pm.

didn't just run for congress instead.

Gug, that IS a really good question.

Submitted by Laurian on Sun, 10/12/2008 - 3:44pm.

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