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Submitted by Rick on Sun, 12/02/2007 - 9:52pm.
I think we've got something close to a finished product, but we need more eyeballs. Please go take a look and give some feedback. Is it ready for prime time? You'll need to create an account with wetpaint in order to edit the wiki. Use the comments on this thread to discuss changes.
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OK by me...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 12:04am.Do it already.
Submitted by Ehver Green on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 12:32am.I like it too.
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 12:40am.All must share alike in prizing intellectual honesty, in responsibly obtaining and providing full and accurate information, and in resolving differences through a process with a strong will to collaboration.
I resonate with this idea.
Wow ... that was fast!
Submitted by Sandy M on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 2:30am.Granted, I'm not a bona fide Olyblogger (or ANY kind of blogger) and therefore will not try to insert myself into this decision-making process. And I should acknowledge that I'm way too exhausted from 2 back-to-back double shifts -- and a little too altered from a couple of beers -- to be weighing in at all.
But really? Y'all feel like you've worked this out ... enough said ... good to go? You feel like you all have some mutual understanding about the definition of terms such as "civility" and "intellectual honesty?"
For instance, people on this blog frequently chastise TJ Johnson for his lack of civility. Do you all agree that TJ's strait-forward defense of principle on the city council is an example of UNcivility?
I will admit that even as a fairly new and casual, occasional participant on this blog I was encouraged by the idea of a social contract. One of the most annoying things about Olyblog for me is how often genuine attempts at meaningful discourse on a given topic are high-jacked by some mindless digression or series of ad hominem remarks essentially attacking the messenger rather than engaging with the message. If that problem could be resolved I would find Olyblog to be a much more inviting and interesting place to visit.
But these are merely the observations of an outsider. The process here is not mine to participate in. Just sharing some thoughts.
fleshing it out
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 8:45am.But really? Y'all feel like you've worked this out ... enough said ... good to go? You feel like you all have some mutual understanding about the definition of terms such as "civility" and "intellectual honesty?"
I don't know that it's wrapped up and finished, rather that three people have said they're okay with it.
For me the idea of agreeing as a participant of OlyBlog to collaboratively build a resource of value to our community is a giant umbrella. I think it's pretty natural and should be an assumption that people will get bent out of shape while working through some difficult topics. That being said, I feel as if there is currently a vacuum of vested interest in OlyBlog for a lot of participants which leaves...a bunch of free agents bumping into each other and provides little incentive to get past our differences and work for something that could benefit all involved.
Personally, I don't much care for terms like "civility." It brings to mind propaganda about barbarians and us vs. them. It's the language about collaboration that I want (ironic?).
I see the Social Contract...
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 9:09am....as a statement of intention. I think we have a lot of work ahead of us about how to implement those intentions.
> Say something interesting or say nothing at all. <
Welcome Sandy
Submitted by Sarah on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 9:34am.I don't know if I understand what
Submitted by Mike on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 7:21am."prizing intellectual honesty" means. This is an important point for me. I don't mind a genuine dialogue with people to my right politically, but I do object to swift-boaters, the intellectual dishonesty that characterizes so much of the public dialogue these days.
I would like to see prizing intellectual honesty changed to demonstrating intellectual honesty or something a little stronger.
I am sure that the most egregious propagandists that ever lived "prized intellectual honesty." They just didn't practice intellectual honesty because rhetoric and political pragmatism made intellectual honesty a problem for them as they sought to secure their political ends.
How's about "practice intellectual honesty"?
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 9:11am.> Say something interesting or say nothing at all. <
I made a few changes
Submitted by Mike on Tue, 12/04/2007 - 7:11am.fairly minor, but including "demonstrating" intellectual honesty. Practice would have been fine also. I think it's good.
I think we are going to have trouble persuading folks to practice intellectual honesty. It's a pretty tough assignment and rhetoric is slippery. The debates over hijacking threads and misattributing comments, restating comments using different words and meanings will also include debates over who is being intellectually dishonest. Maybe that is an improvement.
It's a good thing that we have this recurring discussion. I refer anyone who wants to look at the history of this discussion to Sarah's post on Blogging Ethically. and reprint therefrom, credit to Rebecca Blood:
Prime time
Submitted by Sarah on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 11:38am.Looks good to me
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 11:42am.It sounds good to me
Submitted by JulieM on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 2:30pm.I think it sounds great
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 3:08pm.That's "Teef"
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 3:15pm.Old barbecue place Slogan
Submitted by Crenshaw Sepulveda on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 9:01pm.Down in L.A. there is a bargecue called Mr. Jim's. The slogan is "you need no teef to eat my beef".
"I would make it impossible for the covetous and avaricious to utterly impoverish the poor. The rich can take care of themselves."
^@^
I like it
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 12/03/2007 - 7:20pm.Very nice; thanks.
Submitted by Debmonstrative on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 4:43pm.