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Submitted by Tschida on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 10:27am.
From WCBSTV
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING? The self described F*****g Steamroller has been outed as a hypocrite in the vein of Jim Bakker. I am sad that no one else has picked up on this so I am posting it. I think that some would have jumped on it if it were a conservative in the mix. Spitzer had broken two prostitution rings while working as New York's Attorney General.
I feel badly for his wife and three children who will now have a dark cloud hanging over them, though they did not do anything wrong. I do hope that Spitzer, should the evidence support it, be prosecuted for breaking the law.
A little more info
New York Governor Eliot Spitzer Resigns Effective Monday Amid Links to Prostitution RingWednesday, March 12, 2008
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Eh, conservative, liberal, I don't think it matters.
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 10:31am.Right on the money
Submitted by JT on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 10:32am." I think that some would have jumped on it if it were a conservative in the mix."
Just look at the Larry Craig issue. People here were all over it in a second. I was sitting back to see how long it would take, or if a progressive would address this event at all. Imagine that, they didn't
"I de-clutch, you know." Juan Manuel Fangio when asked how he avoids flat-spotting his tires when he spins the car.
I can't find any Larry Craig threads
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 10:35am.For some reason I thought there were others too
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 10:40am.You make some good points.
Submitted by Tschida on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 10:43am.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
I figured it wasn't
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 10:53am.I apologize if this goes off-topic a smidge, but if Olyblog is really going to better itself we can't continue to point to examples of the past. The idea is to keep "now" good or better, and not to wallow in the mud of "then" (Of course, next time I feel wronged my first outburst is going to be "this always happens...)
Absolutely Agreed! Forgiveness, closure, moving on. Needed now.
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 10:56am.It appears, Merwyn, that there are some
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 11:06am.bert and I always get mixed
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 11:09am.Thanks for once again requiring I go through the burning humiliation of announcing I use WebTv and can't watch videos. I'm buying you a 4 Horsemen for that.
WebTV? Isn't that a pre-internet contraption?
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 11:11am.Does it still run on vacuum tubes? ;)
Yeah, you and Bert look so similar that I frequently have to do a double-take.
I just can't get enough of your webTv references
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 11:21am.If I remember correctly,
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 11:24am.So, maybe we want to wallow in the mud because we think it makes us cool?
Everybody knows New England liberals aren't real liberals
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 10:54am.Just caught the news.
Submitted by Phil Owen on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 11:23am.That fellow should resign. No question about it.
Now, as for comparisons to some of the Republican scandals of the last few years, I don't know that this is an effective comparison. Spitzer was not part of a massive, self-righteous, nation-wide campaign to keep homosexuals stuck in their marginalized legal and social status. And then he was not caught with a male prostitute. (I will note the hypocrisy of having prosecuted sex-workers, and then patronizing them... but the political context is not one which reflects a great deal on the Dem party as a whole.)
A more effective comparison (and one that probably rings true), would be a Democrat well know for championing the rights of the poor and the working class, who was found to own a great deal of stock in a Chinese sweat shop. That would be a comparable level of hypocrisy to the Republicans caught with male prostitutes. And, for the record, I don't think Republicans have any kind of monopoly on hypocrisy.
The Canaanite's Call
Let's be clear on Larry Craig
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 11:27am.Yeah Chris,
Submitted by JT on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 11:30am.I thought Fangio's quote was appropriate for the begining of the F-1 season. Looking forward to it!!!
"I de-clutch, you know." Juan Manuel Fangio when asked how he avoids flat-spotting his tires when he spins the car.
Oh, and really
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 11:31am.Just curious...
Submitted by jlw on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 11:40am.Just curious?
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 11:47am.Huh?
Submitted by jlw on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:16pm.lol that's awful.
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:19pm.How is it different? I
Submitted by OperaGirl on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 11:49am.How is it different? I mean, both situations you are looking for some kind of hook up with a stranger.
Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life. ~Ludwig van Beethoven
Don't condone either action
Submitted by Ehver Green on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 12:03pm.you're kidding, right?
Submitted by enpen on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 12:13pm.I am sad that no one else has picked up on this so I am posting it. I think that some would have jumped on it if it were a conservative in the mix.
I was sitting back to see how long it would take, or if a progressive would address this event at all. Imagine that, they didn't.
I mean, OlyBlog is is a forum for people to voluntarily post things of local and/or personal interest, right? So why were either of you waiting? If you're going to take part in this then it is up to you to take part in a constructive manner. This b.s. about waiting around for somebody else to post something is crap. Take some personal responsibility here. At least Tschida posted it, I don't know what your excuse is J.T.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Sad?
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 12:16pm.Please, you're projecting behavior onto your fellow Olyblogers and its rather unfair. How many of us "jumped on it" and started threads dedicated to Larry Craig when that story broke? What's sad is to see a member of this community invent a reason to drive in yet another wedge.
Letting go.
Another axe to grind,
Submitted by JT on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 12:21pm.enpen??
"I de-clutch, you know." Juan Manuel Fangio when asked how he avoids flat-spotting his tires when he spins the car.
no axe
Submitted by enpen on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 12:23pm.It's b.s. behavior on your part. If you're here to be a productive member of the community then be productive. It really is that simple.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Is sniping productive?
Submitted by Tschida on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:45pm.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
productiveness
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:47pm.Aldo Leopold: "We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect."
Unlike some...
Submitted by Tschida on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:59pm.I am perfectly willing to demonstrate how my remark can be seen as constructive, where as others refuse to provide information when it is asked of them.
Both Enpen were sniping at JT. Examples here and here.
Personally I do not think that being argumentative like this is any help to Olyblog or its success
I feel like it is disingenuous to make a remark like Gug's only to be followed by the "letting go"
remark. Does that clairify the situation for you or would you like a more indepth analsys? I am perfectly willing to explain until you are able to understand my point.
C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
sniping
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 6:07pm.No.
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 8:48am.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
please do
Submitted by enpen on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 6:11pm.I am sad that no one else has picked up on this so I am posting it. I think that some would have jumped on it if it were a conservative in the mix.
They were all over Larry Craig, in short order.
I am curious as to how you see either of those remarks as constructive. Particularly in light of the fact that nobody on OlyBlog was "all over Larry Craig, in short order."
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Hi
Submitted by enpen on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 12:45pm.You mentioned a willingness to share how you think your remarks can be seen as constructive. I assume you missed my request regarding your remarks about being sad nobody else posted about this topic before you did as well as your falsification about the atmosphere on OlyBlog. Hopefully you won't miss this second request as I'm genuinely curious how you were being constructive for OlyBlog with these comments.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Were you looking for this?
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 12:54pm.this comment? Is that the willingness to share you are refering to? If not I will be willing to make it more plain for you.
C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
I'll give you a link
Submitted by enpen on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 12:57pm.Here is my request. Please share how your comments were constructive for OlyBlog.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
As well
Submitted by enpen on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:00pm.Along with explaining how these comments are constructive I am still waiting for a retraction of this comment as well. Thanks.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
I'll be praying to St. Jude for you enpen.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:12pm.Hmmm...
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:24pm.It seems to me that you are scrapping for an argument. I could be wrong but kind of doubt it. Which in it self is unproductive particularly coming from a docent. But I digress.
First, you didn't answer my question rather you just posted a comment, instead of it seems reading what I linked to.
Second, I am sad and disheartened that no one else picked up on the story. Spitzer is a prominet figure in politics and has been for some time. It brings up the question of character, particularly in politicians. In our current day, with a deliberate effort on the left, not only in Olympia but nation wide to create a society that is 'non-judgemental' it brings a spot light on that issue. Does character matter? Is a personal failing like this of a prominent politician matter to the citizens or is it 'just a private matter'?
This is how I see the matter, and my comments are constructive. If you find this difficult to understand, let me know and I will continue to work towards making it understandable.
Third, I also recall there being some discussion regarding Craig. Perhaps my memory fails but I do recall it. If I am wrong, and nothing has been deleted from the blog, then I apologize.
C.
Third,
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
don't worry
Submitted by enpen on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 3:39pm.You're wrong.
First, I did answer the question in that I was not talking about your willingness to discuss the sniping, rather I wanted to address the "constructive" merits of some of your other comments.
Second, I did not ask why you were sad that nobody else posted the story. I did, however, ask you how notifying the OlyBlog community of your sadness is constructive for the blog. I believe I already mentioned that as a member of this community it is up to you to create the content you desire not wait for others. We're seeking to further empower our community here, not create reliance, hence my request for some personal responsibility on the matter.
Third, thanks for the apology. As you can see, I think your imaginary conversations about Larry Craig on OlyBlog are a product of projection. I politely request you do a search for corroborative material on OlyBlog the next time you reference prior conversations. As it is there is the appearance that you're myth making bias and then using that myth as support for your views about those on OlyBlog, so I think the responsibility now falls on you to prove otherwise.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Interesting.
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 4:03pm.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
I'm stumped
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 4:15pm.It is disingenuous to snipe at someone then say "letting go"
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 4:17pm.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Okay
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 4:28pm.You're hysterical, Tschida.
Submitted by enpen on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 4:19pm.The only reason I requested you fill me in on how your remarks were constructive is because you both criticized others and invited such a request of yourself (here). As you may or may not have noticed prior to your invitation I had never asked somebody to provide such evidence before, so as it is your invitation now looks completely disingenuous. Once again I'll take a line from your book: this reflects more on your character than anything else.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Well I am glad you think so.
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 4:41pm.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
More on topic
Submitted by enpen on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 12:38pm.I feel badly for his wife and three children who will now have a dark cloud hanging over them, though they did not do anything wrong.
I completely agree. This guy sucks if for no other reason than what his family now has to go through.
Yet another reason for politicians to take a vow of poverty: they wouldn't be able to afford to pay for sex.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
I disagree with your assessment,
Submitted by JT on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 12:44pm.and I believe your chastisment is out of line, enpen.
"I de-clutch, you know." Juan Manuel Fangio when asked how he avoids flat-spotting his tires when he spins the car.
Enpen is right.
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 12:57pm.I also searched on "Craig" and got just one hit that was from a Krull comment. There is no way to honestly say that people on OlyBlog were "all over that story." Thus, not only are you making inflammatory statements that serve no function but to drive people apart, you're making them up in order to do so. Please stop.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
I posted the link above
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 1:09pm.Or deleting of posts is more
Submitted by JT on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 2:08pm.pervasive than originally believed. I know that Larry Craig was discussed at some length.
"I de-clutch, you know." Juan Manuel Fangio when asked how he avoids flat-spotting his tires when he spins the car.
Only if Merwyn did it.
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 2:15pm.> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
At first I didn't get it
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 2:20pm.None of my lost posts were about Larry Craig, and I only deleted one comment during that storm before realizing the daunting task that would have been.
Nope.
Submitted by Ehver Green on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 2:21pm.Search Engine Cash
Submitted by Ehver Green on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 2:21pm.$$$ and search cache (archiving). Google only knows about the CiC comment. All search results resolved (no 404 error). Had any not resolved you could have clicked on the Cached link to pull the archive. Back in the day this use to be a physical jukebox type setup using a piece of software to serve as the broker between the source and destination. Today it's not even the blink of an eye. I digress.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22larry+craig%22+site:olyblog.net&hl=en&filter=0
The above search is limited to olyblog.net (site:olyblog.net). Set the filter to zero and you get all results - nothing is omitted. I got 7 hits. One for the CiC thread and the other 6 were from the news aggregator pointing to a Crosscut article.
I don't believe anything has been deleted. Yes, I used Google. I admit it, they have a better search engine. =O
HA!
Submitted by a.future.with.n... on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 12:46pm.Personally, I love when this stuff happens. Republican, Democrat, it doesn't matter. Every time it makes my day.
I have an idea for how to fix these things though, legalize and regulate prostitution. Think about it. It's cleaner, safer, lucrative and would eliminate sex scandals like this. Makes sense to me.
Larry Craig would still be in the same boat though. I agree with Norm, two different worlds.
OK, if EG says it no happen
Submitted by JT on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 2:26pm.I believe it. Must have been a senior moment or something.
"I de-clutch, you know." Juan Manuel Fangio when asked how he avoids flat-spotting his tires when he spins the car.
Well, in that case, I also
Submitted by Ehver Green on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 2:31pm.Well, in that case, I also want to tell you I was rob of... $1,200.00 last night! I'll file a report with you.
Seriously though, I read every comment and article on this blog. I usually have a pretty good memory and I don't ever recall a deep thread or comment series about Larry Craig. I wouldn't have stalled on that one. I mean, it's not like I was tapping my foot waiting for comments or anything.
LMAO
Submitted by Anonymously Larry on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 2:35pm."I read every comment and article on this blog."
Submitted by JT on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 2:46pm.Sounds like you need to get out more!! ;-)
Must have been another blog, my bad. But just in case you are wrong, I will check archive.org in about 3 more months. They tend to be about 6 months behind.
"I de-clutch, you know." Juan Manuel Fangio when asked how he avoids flat-spotting his tires when he spins the car.
This thread...
Submitted by Rick on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 4:41pm....is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet it's maker! 'It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed it to the perch it'd be pushing up the daisies! It's metabolic processes are now 'istory! It's off the twig! It's kicked the bucket, it's shuffled off it's mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-THREAD!!
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract