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Submitted by emmettoconnell on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 1:04pm.

Over at envirotalk Jim Lazar announces that Quality Rock lost their appeal to expand their operations down south of Tumwater on the Black River:

Sue Danver just handed me a decision by the Supreme Court denying to hear the appeal of Quality Rock.

That means the rejection, affirmed by the Court of Appeals, is final.

"Department II of the Court, composed of Chief Justice Alexander and Justices Chambers, Madsen, Fairhurst and Stephens (Justice C. Johnson sat for Justice Chambers), at it's April 1, 2008 Motion Calendar, considered whether review should be granted pursuant to RAP 13.4(b), and unanimously agreed that the following order be entered:

IT IS ORDERED

That the Petition for Review is denied.

DATED at Olympia, Washington this 2nd day of April, 2008

For the Court

Gerry Alexander
Chief Justice

Congratuations to Audubon for sticking it out, and to Sue for guiding it along.

Here's a rundown of history of the case:

Quality Rock Products asks to be heard by the Supreme Court

Over six years ago, Black Hills Audubon Society (BHAS) began to contest a permit request submitted to Thurston County by Quality Rock Products (QRP) to expand a gravel mine and to locate an asphalt plant and concrete plant near the headwaters of the Black River. In the beginning, people suggested that the permit was a done deal. But BHAS, with remarkable support from its loyal mem- bership, persisted and won in the Court of Appeals in February 2007 with a very solid decision.

The Court recognized that the Black River is closed to further water withdrawals in summer and that QRP had not adequately ad- dressed its water usage for wash- ing gravel, making concrete, and other water-intensive activities. (QRP does not have a water right.)

Nevertheless, in July 2007, Quality Rock Products requested that the Washington State Supreme Court hear its appeal. BHAS responded to the QRP request. Then, in August, the Washington State Farm Bureau, Washington State Dairy Association, Washington Aggregate and Concrete Association, Association of Washington Businesses, the Pacific Legal Foundation, and three Washington building and contracting associations submitted three separate briefs asking to participate on behalf of QRP. The BHAS board retained Dave Bricklin and Devon Shannon to answer these three briefs with a second response brief. BHAS believes that the arguments presented by QRP (and friends) are weak. The Supreme Court will decide whether to take the case by spring 2008.

For one more winter, the Black River Corridor resi- dents remain free from asphalt-tainted air. There will still be Steller’s jays aloft.

The bolding is mine, because its worth noting the heavy hitters QRP brought to the case. Obviously, the farm bureau, the AWB and the Pacific Legal Foundation saw this case as being more important than just one gravel mine. It would be interesting to get ahold of their filings and see just what tact they took on the case.

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Kewl

 Despite having family who used to do gravel mining I can appreciate the difference between a "good" mine and something as f-d up as this one.

"Those who fail an attempt destroy me have made a serious tactical error."
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Interesting case, important victory for ecology / environment

I agree with you Emmett, this is an interesting case. It looks like this is an important decision in environmental management.

Thanks for re-posting this in an easy to read format.
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Good article, I like paying

Good article, I like paying 100.00yd for concrete as well!!
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Ignoratio Elenchi

I think you present a logical fallacy there wilson.

You obviously don't like paying very much for concrete. Also, that there isn't enough water in the Black River basin to use for this new (or any new) purpose doesn't have very much to do with the price of concrete.

Concrete is made at dozens of locations throughout Puget Sound and the Northwest, this particular location was bad according to the rules we all live by. 

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Who says I dont like paying

Who says I dont like paying 100.00 dollars a yard for concrete! Don't tell me what I do and dont like, and don't use big latin words either. By the way, just because concrete is made in dozens of locations oes not mean another batch plant isn't desperately needed. It's a theory that is caled "supply and demand", it effects a lot of commodities like eggs, milk, and wheat to name a few. So saying there are dozens in the Puget Sound means virtually nothing as far as what the price is, except for the fact we desperately need another. "The rules we all live by"...It wans't decided by rules we live by, it was decided by unelected members of our judicial system. I think the rules during the permit process were probably looked at, since the rules and permit process are put together by elected officials. I guess I am bitter about things like this. I truly believe that this was probably a good decision, however the company that needed the facility probably should have been told during the permit application process about the "rules" before spending a lot of scratch. Even though people see this as a gigantic business with a huge fat man at the top smoking a cigar, it is not. It is a normal Joe who built this business and was told the property would fit all the requirements set forth in local regulations. So they moved forward and got smacked down. Why pay for engineers, architects, Lawyers, permit fees, pre-submission conferences, public hearings, and then blam!
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What metric do you use

to determine that we "desperately need" another plant and how that "need" (a very odd notion in your supply and demand world) outweighs any other considerations? Surely you are not suggesting that the only thing that should guide us is the invisible hand...an unelected analogy from freshman microeconomics. Oh, and did you realize you are assuming the concrete market is not perfectly competitive?
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Ok, Red Herring then

Red Herring is the same fallacy. While you could assume another gravel mine could lower the cost of concrete, there is no guarentee this would happen. And, that it could result in lower concrete costs isn't material to the ecological effect of the development. 

I too wish this hadn't gone to court, but oftentimes what happens is that a state or local agency signs off on a permit, someone disagrees with the government's interpretation and sues.

By the way:

"The rules we all live by"...It wans't decided by rules we live by, it was decided by unelected members of our judicial system.

 All of the members of the state supreme court are elected, as is the Mason County Superior Court judge and the Appeals court judge. The only person who wasn't was the original hearings examiner, who is appointed by the elected. Thurston County Commission.

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