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Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 8:19pm.
go to originalBy DOUGLASS K. DANIEL, Associated Press Writer
A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks.
The study concluded that the statements "were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."
The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism.
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The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both.
"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida," according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. "In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."
Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan.
Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida.
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Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 10:24pm.Unfortunately this story - the result of a study - is probably no more than a blip on the radar...unless the state-based movement for impeachment takes off!
Then, of course, there will the 'civil' claims against members of the Bush Administration. I want to see them tried for war crimes.
a more just world
Submitted by enpen on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 10:29pm.I want to see them tried for war crimes.
I completely agree. Unfortunately in such a trial a lot of evidence is already missing.
You realize the weatherman
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 3:34am.You realize the weatherman makes a false statement every night, right?
The accuracy - or lack thereof - of a statement does not prove intent.
And right or wrong, the people in power are not held responsible in court. The same thing was argued at Nuremberg (trying both Allied and Axis leaders would have certainly been interesting, though).
Intent
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 6:58am.However, I think that intent can be proven, when you look at the downing street memos, the PNAC manifesto for global domination. These fact that these false statements were repeated over a period of years - and the offenders must have had access to better information. Yes, I think it's provable. Even without all of those millions of emails.
You realize weathermen
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 8:12am.wow
Submitted by enpen on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 8:29am.Well Guglielmo took care of that bad analogy. Regardless, this is why you do things like start impeachment proceedings so that we can begin to get some public face time on these issues with this administration. It sure would be nice to have those missing records in order to better judge intent, though...
missing evidence
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 8:38am.What we need is a thorough, full and complete investigation so we can find out the facts, and what evidence exists to prove them. This is a criminal matter.
criminal matter
Submitted by chad360 on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 10:08am.That is gonna be tricky, esp. with the change in US legal code after 9/11.
I think that the Rove-Chaney tag-team has effectively denied the US citizenry any real control over the process of governance.
With Congress giving war powers over to the seated Prez after 9/11 there is little "legal" recourse.
-any thoughts?
A thousand lies are worth one picture
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 1:08pm.Here's more on the study. And here's the picture:
lies?...no doubt.
Submitted by chad360 on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 1:27pm.But is being mis-informed a criminal act?
I don't agree with what the admin did/is doing, but I'd be amazed if anyone is put before a firing squad for treason--
You're probably right about that
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 2:27pm.so yes
Submitted by chad360 on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 3:21pm.man, oh man, I SO agree...
...I was bummed when Rove slithered off the stage.
downing street memos
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 4:31pm.Yes, inductive intellegence
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 4:37pm.Making it so
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 5:28pm.Now, this plan had been in the works for years - dozens of years. So it was all well-rehearsed. And when a "new Pearl Harbor" type event [pdf report: "Rebuilding America's Defenses..."] took place on 9/11/2001, the opportunity presented itself like a clearly ringing bell.
After hearing of the attacks, Bush had a strange reaction but he soon leapt into action.
Thereafter, the Administration busily began to lay the groundwork, or "fix the intelligence and facts" for invading Iraq.
inductive v. deductive
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 5:43pm.this is a major story!!!
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 11:17pm."The facts were being fixed to meet the policy". Meanwhile, it has been empirically determined that members of the Bush Administration made over 900 false statements, which were used to justify invasion...
5 years and one trillion dollars later... Here we are.
But I am told it is helpful to have these false statements made
Submitted by Mike on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 6:58am.so that we can deflate them in an open discussion that produces teaching moments.
Please Rick, explain to me how this works to our benefit to have the false statements made, printed, reprinted, because I am not getting it.
I am told that being confrontational with the folks who want to propagate lies is confrontational and counterproductive and I think that may very well be true, but I do not see how the model for teaching moments has produced good results either.
I am open to the ubiquitous third way, I am just having trouble visualizing it.
Please consider starting a
Submitted by Phil Owen on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 11:10am.Please consider starting a new thread for this. Other people's threads are not an appropriate place for diverting back to your personal conflicts with the docents or other bloggers.
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