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Submitted by Rick on Thu, 10/06/2005 - 4:40pm.

I discovered a blog last week that contains contributors from the submarine Olympia. I emailed Rob, one of the bloggers, and asked him if he knew about the nuclear free zone, and if he would be willing to talk to the people of Olyblog about being on the submarine that carries the name of our town. Here is is reply:

olyinsigniaInterestingly enough on the submarine blog I co-contribute to, one of the topics today was Los Angeles-class sub relations with namesake cities. I wasn't really familiar with the NFZ issue until a few weeks ago when I reported to Olympia and my buddies at the sub blog let me know about it (most of them are very conservative and had...opinions...on the issue).

I like the blog you've got going. I can say I am not a fan of nuclear weapons, but nuclear power is a much different animal. I'm part of the engineering department, a reactor operator by rate, and I can tell you there is a night-and-day difference between nuclear weapons and nuclear power. While I'm pretty liberal myself, I think nuclear energy (for purposes like electrical power generation) is a great way to go, if managed and given the proper oversight. I can't speak to civilian nuclear power, but I can tell you the Navy has an unparalled record of safety and success with it's plants, both shipboard and land based.

I'd be happy to correspond and open a dialog with the people of Olympia; I'd pass on the opportunity to the guys on the boat, too. I do have to say that anything I comment on/say/write is strictly my own opinions and views...I'm not representing the command or the Navy in any way. I can say the command and crew of the Olympia is one of the best I've served with, at least in the short time I've been with the ship.


I notice that Rob has registered on the blog, so he can take it from here in answering any questions that you have. I'll make a permanent link on the side bar to this post, so the conversation can continue.
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Rob: Where do you live when y

Rob: Where do you live when you're not bobbing around in the ocean? Where do you come from?
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Rick, I am not "sub-marine

Rick,

I am not "sub-mariner" Rob Schumacher. I am somewhat of a (non-practicing) surface-mariner however, and what I can tell you is this: when subs are below the surface, they don't bob very much. It's supposed to be pretty 'smooth sailing' under the waves. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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:) I am originally from Flor

:) I am originally from Florida, but have been stationed in Honolulu, Hawaii for over 9 years; first on the submarine TUCSON, then on shore duty at Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard, then on the submarine CHEYENNE, another brief stint at the shipyard, and now (since Sept. 8) on OLYMPIA. I live in a condo here in Honolulu, that I bought about a year ago. Prior to that my family and I lived in military housing, but seeing as how I plan to retire from the Navy and stay here in Hawaii I figured I should get a start at owning a piece of the island :) Robert Schumacher http://robschumacher.blogspot.com Member of USS OLYMPIA (SSN-717) crew.
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Maybe the city could buy a su

Maybe the city could buy a surplus submarine and then have it docked somewhere in the Port of Olympia area. It could be retrofitted and transformed into inexpensive residential apartments. And of course, the rentals would be known as sub-lets. ... Sorry, I had to say it.
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This is somewhat off topic to

This is somewhat off topic too, but I can't resist.

They could put the decommisioned sub in Capitol lake! Better yet, erect a tower and put it on top, so that it blocks the view of the Capitol Building, say from the Farmers' Market! (The new condos being built on the Northern part of West Bay Drive block the view of the Capitol when traveling downhill; a genius work of city planning.)

Okay, on topic. From what I have heard, the submarine's visit was opposed not because of its nuclear power plant, but because of its nuclear war-head capable weapons systems.

Let me also add that it is a shame when our military becomes politicized. American military service members deserve better than to be treated as agitprop.

The problem is that radical plutocrats are in positions of power from the halls of the White House and D.C.'s Capitol Hill - to the network of top corporate keepership. These various political titans are bending the world's economies to suit their fancies and power structures/systems.

It's time to start asking the tough questions about war and peace, the people and the future. For instance, who is benefitting from the current policies of the White House? Who is paying the price?

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Rob, No, that's incorrect.

Rob, No, that's incorrect. The USS Olympia was opposed because of the nuclear power plant and the "safety" of the public. There were people in the community, including those who sit on the City Council, who were under a misconception that we could have another Three Mile Island in Olympia. Some of the reasoning also shifted to the inability to protect the USS Olympia. The Olympia Police Department said they did not have the resources to protect the submarine (I don't know if any other law enforcement personnel, such as the Thurston County Sheriff's Department, were asked) while it was docked. Then, of course, there is Councilmember Johnson's infamous "killing machine" quote (a statement that really polarized the community). Olympia, for better or worse, is a very diverse municipality and very politically involved. As everyone is well aware, The Evergreen State College is one of the most liberal institutions in the state, if not the entire Pacific Northwest region and potentially the country. While this may be fantastic for educational purposes, there is a large percentage of people in the community who feel Olympia would be better off without TESC (because, let's remember, many of these people were in Olympia long before TESC was built). So when an issue such as the USS Olympia arises, it merely brings out what is beneath the surface.
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I work on submarine nuclear p

I work on submarine nuclear plants...by rate I'm a nuclear trained electronics technician, and commonly stand watch as a reactor operator. And I can tell you the chances of a TMI-type accident on a Navy nuclear power plant (sub or surface) are infintesimal. To make that sort of accident occur we'd have to actively try to break things. I'm not just saying it for publicity sake...Navy reactors are designed to be extremely safe, reliable, and are protected to the extreme. You won't find engineering with more safety features or design margins anywhere short of (possibly) NASA. I'd say we're beyond them, too. In the over 50 years of Navy nuclear power, we've never had a core damaging accident (termed a "reactor accident", i.e. a TMI or Chernobyl). They are made that way for a reason...realibility under combat conditions, and safety of the crew. You don't want to go hundreds of feet under the ocean with a power plant that is dangerous. I'd feel safer, frankly, standing watch in the engineroom of a nuclear submarine than on an airliner, or behind the wheel (Hawaii may be paradise, but the drivers here are, well, scary at times). As for security, we pretty much handle that ourselves. I've tied up in places like Bahrain in the Persian Gulf and anchored in Thailand...I'd not be too worried about security in an American city. I think some people operate under great misconceptions, not only about the issue of the power plant but the issue of military members/units and voicing an opinion on things like the Iraq war. I'm not in favor of the war myself, personally, but there's a difference between disagreeing with a policy and being supportive of those in the military. Showing support for the "troops" doesn't mean one is in favor of the actions of an administration. I don't know if that was a motivator in the decision or not, as I only read about it recently, but if so I'd say it was a misplaced concern. Robert Schumacher http://robschumacher.blogspot.com Member of USS OLYMPIA (SSN-717) crew.
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subsailor, I think the USS Ol

subsailor, I think the USS Olympia was opposed because of the current presidential administration under the guise of "public safety." The entire situation was a complete debacle that even drew scorn from state legislators. I wouldn't be surprised if, the next time the USS Olympia comes into town, there's parades and keys to the city given.
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That would be nice, but it wi

That would be nice, but it will be a while. We're going into a three year overhaul...won't be going to sea again for quite a long time. Maybe a crew visit, though? Robert Schumacher http://robschumacher.blogspot.com Member of USS OLYMPIA (SSN-717) crew.
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A crew visit would be excelle

A crew visit would be excellent. As I said, the entire situation was a debacle that really riled the entire community and, in my opinion, had more to do with the division in Olympia than the USS Olympia itself. The USS Olympia was simply the topic of disucssion but it could have just as easily been one of many other issues. For instance, at Lakefair this year the theme was "Tie a Yellow Ribbon" (or something along those lines) which was aimed at supporting U.S. forces abroad. Some in the community, however, felt this was code for "Support President Bush" and voiced their complaints. I can say, though, that I was never happier to be in Olympia when the Lakefair Parade marched through and the loudest applause/standing ovation was for those from Fort Lewis who had recently returned from Iraq. It was a very good feeling and I am happy in knowing that, at the very least, we won't be reading 20 years from now about how U.S. forces were spit upon when returning from a controversial conflict. It still bothers me to read accounts from those who returned from Vietnam.
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One point of clarification...

One point of clarification...I'm a blogger in two places: The Online Magazine Formerly Known As Rob's Blog is my personal one. Mainly politics and some personal entries. Ultraquiet No More is the one I'm a co-contributor on. It's a group of current/former submariners who blog on submarine topics. Robert Schumacher http://robschumacher.blogspot.com Member of USS OLYMPIA (SSN-717) crew.
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Subsailor: What's your take o

Subsailor: What's your take on the action here to protest at recruitment centers? Is this the appropriate venue to express an opinion? Are recruiters being opportunistic now in places where people are vulnerable (i.e., NOLA)?
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If I may, I'd like to suggest

If I may, I'd like to suggest that Fire Inside's comment in that blog-link about "doing something" instead of "protesting something" may be the more positive action. Is it more important to voice disagreement or is it more important to act in ways you agree with? Act or disagree? Philosophical symantics, perhaps.
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I really don't get why people

I really don't get why people think protesting isn't doing something. Wasn't this country created out of protest? Wasn't that "doing something". If the things that I love about this country are under threat (democracy, equality, free and open exchange of ideas), then I will absolutely defend those things. My view is that we are in an unnecessary war, and that one socio-economic class is bearing a disproportionate share of the burden of fighting it. The present administration is not commited to the best interests of the country, but rather committed to the best interest of the wealthy. When will people figure out that their interests are not being served by making sure that the oil companies can make record profits?
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Yes, this country is a produc

Yes, this country is a product of political protest. No Taxation Without Representation is the theme tune. People originally came to America as religious exiles however.

If you think that we have (or ever had) democracy, you're living in a cloud of illusion and denial. We don't have anything close to equality in America. Free and open exchange of ideas? Maybe. But not if corporate media has anything to do about it.

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