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Submitted by Tony Zaragoza on Tue, 02/19/2008 - 9:54am.

I was at the dead prez show Thursday night and have been a fan of rap/hip hop since the mid 80s.

I arrived at Thursday night's show around 10:00PM. Through the night I saw nothing happen at the concert that was out of the ordinary. I didn't see any of the scuffles that are mentioned in the accounts below. I left at 12:40AM and as I was exiting the CRC I saw a female officer standing and talking with a white man who was seated on the ground. At that moment I wondered what was going on, but I couldn't imagine what would happen later, and was quite surprised to hear the unfortunate news on NPR Friday morning.

As I followed the coverage and heard rumor pile on rumor, and watched as various conversations grew that were built on speculations and one-sided accounts, I became more determined to find out what actually happened. Over the weekend I began talking with as many people as I could to find out what happened and how it happened.

Through this process, I was able to get three written statements from people who watched the events unfold. Each person has given me permission to share their eyewitness account, but none of them has given me permission to identify the writer. I gathered the statements independently from each person and trust that they have written the truth as they saw it. Below you will find the three statements. I think it is very important that these eyewitness accounts be taken into consideration in all further discussions of Thursday night's incident.

Tony Zaragoza


Eyewitness Account #1 for Thursday February 14, 2008

I am an Evergreen alumni and a big dead prez fan. I went to the show on Thursday night with the intention of enjoying a good concert and nothing else I saw the development of the entire situation unfold probably better than any other witness, and I feel like the truth is being distorted and lied about. So here is my account.

While “umi”, dead prez’s main opening act, was finishing one of his last songs, some people a couple rows in front of me were smoking what looked to be a joint. A man not wearing any kind of security credentials, who I will call security volunteer A, lunged at the man smoking and tried to grab the joint. Another man was pushed when the security volunteer A attempted to grab the joint, that man told him not to push him. Security volunteer A immediately got in the man’s face and identified himself as security and told the fan to calm down. The fan chanted back something to the effect of “smoke that weed, smoke that weed.” Another man, a friend of security guard A, wearing a gray sweatshirt, stepped in and aggressively got in the fan’s face too. A fight broke out with 4 or 5 people involved and it was over quickly. After the fight ended, I saw a young girl standing there holding her head, I asked her if she was ok and she said she was fine. I then turned around and saw the same group of people fighting again towards the back of the concert.

After umi finished, I decided to get bottle water before dead prez came on. I walked to the front of the gym (CRC building) with a friend. I looked outside and noticed the fan who had been in the first altercation surrounded by security volunteer A, the man in the gray sweatshirt, a blonde girl, a brown haired girl, a white man with dreads and a blazer jacket, and a slender white male with brown hair. I walked outside to see what was happening. The blonde girl was yelling at the fan when all of a sudden security volunteer A, blindside punched the fan in the face. Then the man in the gray sweatshirt tackled the fan to the ground while the other five people kicked him and punched him. My friend stopped the man with dreads from hitting the fan on the ground and I pulled the man in the gray sweatshirt off the fan. Another person stood in front of the two girls and one guy to stop them from beating the fan. The fan stood up and walked off. Some people yelled back and forth and it was over. I got a good look at everyone involved in the fight and NO ONE had a mark on their face; no blood, no swollen parts, nothing, so I assumed the nonsense was over, I walked back into the concert with my friend.

Towards the end of the dead prez set I turned around and saw security volunteer A, and his blonde girlfriend come in the concert with campus police and point out my friend who had helped break up the 6 on 1 fight outside. The police officer handcuffed my friend and walked him to the front of the CRC and then outside the main entrance where she put him in the back of her car. I followed trying to explain to the police officer that my friend did nothing wrong but she said three people had already told her that he had punched some people. I told her that was completely false and there was much more to the story, but she had already made up her mind he was guilty. When we arrived outside in the front of the CRC three students were yelling at the man with dreads for his role in the fight. They yellled at him for going out of his way to get the police involved, and for doing what he did to “get this man arrested.” The man with dreads claimed that he was the person who “put the show on” and that he was trying to keep the concert under control. It turned into a heated exchange between the dead prez fans against this alleged concert organizer and his “security volunteers.” The fans were angry about how the man with dreads and his security volunteers had handled the situation; the fans were calling them “snitches” and not real dead prez fans. The security volunteers were extremely proud of the way they handled the situation. I can recall the blonde woman saying, “I ain’t scared of any of you mother------s,” and asking if anyone wanted “a piece of me.” Her boyfriend, security volunteer A, yelled “this is my job, this is what I do and I love it!”

After that the man in the gray sweatshirt came up to me and said the situation shouldn’t have gone that far and admitted he didn’t think my friend deserved to be arrested. I told him he should tell it to the arresting officer and he walked over to the officer and had a conversation with her.

The arresting officer continued on with the arrest and attempted to drive off when some fans decided to block her vehicle. At this point, there were about 15 fans actively and peacefully participating in either questioning or trying to stop the arrest. Fifteen minutes later 3 or 4 Thurston County sheriffs arrived. The sheriffs were very professional. They listened to what the people were saying; they were very calm and appeared to be trying to resolve the problem. I explained to one of the sheriffs that there had been a fight and the arrested man was merely trying to break up the fight where one person was being beaten up by six, and that he did not deserve to be arrested. That sheriff went to talk to the arresting officer but she was intent on arresting the individual. He came back and said there was nothing he could do because it was her arrest, I told him it would be safer if she just took his name and released him because the crowd was growing bigger and more agitated. He agreed but said it wasn’t his call.

At this point the concert was over and fans just getting outside were starting to join in. People were chanting, “let him go, let him go,” and had the police car surrounded. Then the Olympia Police Department (OPD) arrived. OPD immediately started hitting people who had surrounded the car with batons. This caused the fans to start throwing bottles and rocks and sticks and garbage cans back at the police. The police then used pepper spray. The crowd’s anger was obviously growing so the police decide to release the arrested man. The situation calmed down a little bit, even though some fans were still throwing things but the situation seemed to be ending. The officers left and left one car behind. About 10 or 15 of the angriest fans, most of whom were wearing masks, kicked in the windows, then flipped over the car and the rest is history.

I wrote this because the truth about the events leading up to the destruction of the car is important. The security guards who are allegedly under the employ of the hip hop congress were unprofessional and provocative. In my life, I have been around some terrible security but I can honestly say without hesitation that these were the most power tripping, violent, disruptive, antagonistic and dysfunctional security I have ever witnessed; and Evergreen would be wise to never hire them again. I want to point out that in a fight involving several white people, the one African American, who was breaking up the fight, was the only one arrested. In addition, the TESC police officer listened to only one side of the fight and then walked into the middle of the concert and arrested someone. She seemed to have no interest in trying to hear the entire story nor did she stop to think that her handcuffing a fan in the middle of a show and then putting him in a cop car at the only entrance for everyone to see might upset the crowd. If she had just taken my friend’s information and released him the evolving situation would have been avoided. She used no common sense whatsoever. She kept saying that it was just misdemeanor assault and that it wasn’t that big of a deal. If that was the case, then why all the effort to arrest him in the first place? Finally, I want to point out that the second back up police team, the Olympia Police, came in swinging batons and using pepper spray. I know little about police procedure but it seemed they had no reservation or thought before they used violence. There is no doubt some fans were acting inappropriately but the cops should have anticipated that if they attacked the crowd, there was a good chance the crowd was going to fight back.

I write this because The Olympian, the local TV news, and reaction from the community, have all been negative towards dead prez, their fans and The Evergreen State College, in general. I think Olympia should be proud that Evergreen produces the kind of people who are not scared to stand up against injustice. I do not agree with the cop cruiser being destroyed but I saw that as a reaction to idiotic “security volunteers” and violent police officers, neither of whom used any common sense.

February 17, 2008


Witness Account #2 for Thursday February 14, 2008

This is a detailed view of the events that unfolded after the Dead Prez concert outside of the College Recreation Center (CRC) at The Evergreen State College (TESC) on February 14, 2008.

My position during these events, were on top of the hill overlooking the entrance to the CRC, and then to the right of the events that unfolded, to the right of the entrance to the lobby on the way down to the path that leads to the Children’s center. So my view encompassed the whole area where the events of the night took place during the first part of the event and then down to the right of the last of what happened.

The Dead Prez show was almost over when I went out of the back-bay, walking toward the lobby, to use the restroom. While exiting the gym area, coming into the lobby, I am confronted by a friend who tells me that a person, who had nothing to do with the fight, was put into the back of an Evergreen State College Police car. I ask for more information, and I was told that the show promoter pointed out the person, in the back of the squad car, as being involved with the fight that took place at the show. My friend tells me that, the person in the squad car was only trying to break up the fight and was not apart of the main altercation.

I proceed from the lobby walking outside where I watch around 15 to 20 people talking to the officer. I walk up the stairs, to the top of the hill, and look back to see more and more people starting to come out. I go to my car to grab my cell phone to call my cousin who is back at the show. In a span of 20 minutes, I walk to my car in B lot and as I am walking back to the CRC I see 5 Olympia Police squad cars, in B lot, trying to find a way to get to the CRC. They cannot find a way and a Police Officer comes out of his squad car to say “hey, where’s the party at.” Before I answer he jumps back into the car to follow the other cars as they are exiting B lot. Thinking something bad is going to happen, I rush back to the CRC to find my cousin. I spot her on her way out, next to the COMM Building, and I ask what is going on back at the CRC. She doesn’t reply because all we can hear is the words, “let him go,” coming from the CRC. I decided to go back to the CRC to see what is taking place.

I come to the edge of the hill to see a sea of people surrounding the Evergreen Police Squad car. It is clear that the people are demanding that the person, inside of the squad car, be let go. From my point of view, to the right of me, where the pathway goes to the children’s center, Olympia Police and Thurston County Sheriffs are entering as everyone is saying, “let him go!” I see the lone Evergreen Police officer beside her car and being overwhelmed by the massiveness of the people chanting in unison. As the chants are getting louder, Thurston County and Olympia Police, are taking positions around 1/3rd of the crowd. There are only about 4 to 6 officers that approach the scene. Only 2 out of the 6 police officers have pepper spray and, without warning, they discharge pepper spray to the back of the crowd, that is around the back end of the squad car, and the other to the side of the car that is facing the CRC. This breaks apart the crowd but it only does for a short time. As people are regrouping I see people being taken out of the crowd, in what looks like an altercation to side of the car facing the CRC. Its unclear, what took place, because it is out of my view, but I see people gathering around the altercation.

As people are regrouping at the back of the car, I hear garbage cans being knocked over and the sounds of bottles hitting the ground as the garbage is spread out over the ground. Their were 2 officers pepper spraying the crowd and another pulling people away from the car near the front end, as the car started to lurch forward. The 4 to 6 officers created a pathway for the car to leave. The squad car is leaving and as it is leaving, people start throwing trash at the car. Out of all the trash thrown, only one glass bottle was thrown, that I saw, and it landed on the car not breaking. The Evergreen Squad Car left the entrance area and the group of people followed as Thurston County and Olympia police sprayed the people in the front who were blocking the way. The Evergreen Squad Car leaves, and 2 officers are standing by another car trying to break the crowd apart with pepper spray. Two police officers were hit by trash and plastic bottles causing them to back up. This forces them to exit the scene. One officer gets into the car and the other backs up to the line of Olympia and Thurston County officers. They abandon one car at the scene because they could not get back to it as they retreated. I saw no attempt to start the car as the police where being overwhelmed by the massiveness of the crowd. They leave abandoning a Thurston Country Sheriff’s squad car. I cannot pinpoint when and how the destruction of the car happened because I was moving around trying to talk to as many people as possible about the events that just took place. As I am walking around, all I can hear is the car being beaten on and Glass breaking. I go to see what is taking place and as I come up to the group of people I see the car being flipped over by 20 or so people. At this moment, I am afraid because I know the police will be back. I decide to leave knowing the police will be back with more people.

Signed,
An innocent bystander
February 17, 2008


Eyewitness Account #3 for Thursday February 14, 2008

As I was standing near an organizations tabling display I witnessed a young black man being escorted by a female officer out of the left side of the CRC gym. The last act of performers, Dead Prez, was on the stage. A crowd of 10 or more people proceeded to follow the officers as she escorted the man in handcuffs out the front doors. Moments later a friend came out from the performance. I asked what had happened and she said that there had been a fight, which resulted in a woman calling the cops and identifying the aggressor as a young black male. Another witnesses stated that when the officer entered the show she did not attempt to question the young man but instantly took him under arrest.

As the crowd continued to disperse from the show and exit out the front of the building, people were stating the officer had the wrong man and making accusations of racial profiling and racism.

I proceeded to go back into the show for the remaining three songs. Afterwards I walked across the gym to acknowledge the performers. People who helped organize the show and one of the members of Dead Prez, amongst other community members were having conversation by the back door to the stage. While talking about the show someone came up and announced that the crowd of people outside was surrounding the police car.

I decided to make my way out of the building. As I walked out the doors I saw a crowd of people in a circle and heard them chanting 'Let Him Go!!' I noticed everyone was gathered in a peaceful manner, simply chanting their request. I continued up the stairs and stopped where I could get a full view. I saw a line of 5 or more police cars sitting idle with their lights off. As the people chanted a few were rapping their fists on the police car.

At one point the officers exited their cars and in formation approached the circle of people. In riot gear they marched toward the civilians and proceeded to divide the crowd, pushing and shoving people out of the way. The man who was detained in the back of the cop car was released. As the cops approached the left rear of the police car, one officer took the first act of violence by pepper spraying the civilians, point blank. Once one officer began pepper spraying, other officers followed. This caused people to disperse.

Individuals began reacting by throwing bottles. I saw a garbage can thrown. Someone opened up a door on the side of the CRC and individuals were grabbing objects and throwing them. At this point, I began to feel the effects of the pepper spray that was lingering in the air and a lack of safety due to the level of violence and aggression that I was witnessing, so I left the scene.

February 17, 2008

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Thanks for putting these up

I got the email this morning, but decided against posting it because it would mean a lot of carriage return deleting to get it up.
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Thanks Emmett.

I changed the author's username on this post since Tony came on this afternoon and posted another copy himself. In that way, we won't lose the comments that are already on this thread.


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Wow.

It seems that with some cooler heads, this may not have escalated to the point that it did. Proper training is ESSENTIAL to anyone who is going to take on the task of event security. Although smoking a joint is illegal, I think we may all agree that this kind of reaction is completely unnecessary. The first person to confront the person smoking the joint blew it, bigtime. I've personally done a fair amount of event security in my time. To attack a person who is merely lighting up, is very inappropriate. A calm demeanor, a professional approach, and a sense of humor go a VERY long way to diffusing a situation like this. A simple, straight forward request for the smoker to put it out or get out would have been the proper way to start. If there was resistance, then a few more security staff could have been summoned, and the suspect could have been removed with maybe more of a commotion, but most likely non-violently. It sounds as if the event security took their job as if they had carte blanche to "kick some ass". I know these types of security, and trust me, they cause far more trouble than they cure. 

 As to the Evergreen officer, I believe she should be relieved of her position. As an officer, she has a responsibility to listen to the suspect, the witnesses, the other officers involved, and her own conscience. It seems to me that she failed miserably on all counts. This is not the kind of person who we should be relying on for our safety.

 We all know that the OPD is poorly trained, and reactionary. I find no cause for their attack on the crowd. I can in no way condone their actions. They are as much to blame for this ridiculous altercation as any. As a citizen of this community, I worry very much about the status of those who are supposedly here to serve and protect.

 As to the crowd, mob mentality is terrifying, rarely productive, and usually misguided. It's unfortunate that they took it upon themselves to destroy my (and their) property. I paid for that Thurston County Sheriff's car, and so did they, through their taxes and mine. It really bothers me that they attacked and destroyed an expensive piece of equipment that we will all eventually end up paying for. And for what? Like a childish tantrum, they tore up their toys. Grow up, children.

I hope that the repurcussions of this unfortunate event don't hurt the reputation of TESC too badly. It's a great learning institution, a strong force for engendering social change, and a great asset to this town.

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Your first, last and

Your first, last and penultimate paragraphs are right on.

“I said it in Hebrew—I said it in Dutch—I said it in German and Greek: But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much) That English is what you speak!”
The Hunting of the Snark

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Security disaster

Security at concerts is not a minor detail. Those familiar w/ Altamont and the Hells Angels should know just how bad it can get. Those not familiar need to wise up and avoid repeating history. It's very fortunate that there were no serious injuries at this latest security failure.
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Sounds to me like the security on the floor really blew it

Of course more facts remain to be uncovered. Unfortunately, the reactionaries in this forum make it very difficult to ask if race played any part in the actions of concert security. That's really too bad. And they call liberals "thought police."

Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
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Concert security was

Concert security was provided by the same group that brought the concert to TESC. If I'm not mistaken it consisted of members from the same student-group. I wouldn't be surprised (based on them being young students) if they've had little or no training in security or crowd control.

What I would be surprised about is if the student security-guard, representing this hip-hop club from Evergreen (again, I apologize for not having the club's name at my fingertips), was inclined to racially profile.

Now, if the case was actually that the club hired outside security I'll concede the point.

There was nearly a riot a couple years ago when Maya Angelou came to Evergreen - they overbooked, so people drove from as far as Seattle or Portland with pre-purchased tickets and couldn't get in, as it was the venue was illegally packed with more people than the fire code allowed. Whoever's in charge of Evergreen Events, whether it's one group or each individual, whether it's the S&A Board (who decides who gets funding to provide events or go to conferences) needs to get together and set some things straight in the name of safety.

“I said it in Hebrew—I said it in Dutch—I said it in German and Greek: But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much) That English is what you speak!”
The Hunting of the Snark

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An earlier poster commented

An earlier poster commented that police-student tensions in the aftermath of the port protests contributed to a reactionary response from some of the concert-goers. After reading this first account, I'm inclined to think it may have been the other way around. Maybe the police are still wound a little too tight from the whole thing. Police officers should know that the most effective response to aggression is seldom the most aggressive.(And, yes, there are obviously exceptions to this rule. However, it seems in the case of this angry mob situation, deescalation would have worked better than bludgeoning.)

I hope no young people have to go to prison over this unfortunate and terribly mismanaged situation.

Jade

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Very, very good point. I

Very, very good point. I admit I didn't bother looking at it that way at first. I'm inclined now to suspect there was port-aftermath tensions represented on both sides, not solely one against the other.

“I said it in Hebrew—I said it in Dutch—I said it in German and Greek: But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much) That English is what you speak!”
The Hunting of the Snark

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had the police car

had the police car surrounded.

Keep that in mind when you say:

OPD immediately started hitting people who had surrounded the car with batons.

Sorry, but they're more than justified in using physical force.

A call comes out that there's between 70-200 people surrounding four officers and the result is not going to be pretty.

You wouldn't see something like this in urban America because people know what's coming: more cops. And they're not coming to hold a community forum so everyone can talk about their feelings and hold hands.

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You wouldn't have said this before you joined the military.

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Well I'm not in the military

 Let me say it.  It was an act of self defense.  Against such overwhelming forces I would have cracked a few skulls with a baton and emptied the pepper spray myself.  Self defense.  Or do cops not have the right to defend themselves?  

 

"Safety is a tyrant's tool; no one can be against safety."--Unknown

 

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are you making a dig, or are you serious?

If you are serious I am in complete disagreement with you. Do you remember TFI, pre-military?
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You wouldn't have said this

You wouldn't have said this before you joined the military.

I think I would have. I'm not advocating the police stop the car and randomly beat John Doe.

I am saying that it's appropriate to take action when four of your buddies are in an extremely vulnerable situation and that action does not include explaining your actions to every Tom, Dick and Harry.

The street - or the battlefield - is not the place to sit down and have a talk and come to a compromise. There is a place for that: court.

Unless you feel the offense is so egregious that action must be taken right then (and unless the action is so out of the ordinary or flat-out criminal, myself and the vast majority of citizens are going to side with law enforcement), do what you feel is necessary.

But I'd recommend having your ducks in a row when you take that action.

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thanks, Tony

I hadn't heard this part of the story at all. It seems odd to me that A) all of the testimony comes from friends of the arrested man, B) that none of your bystanders were willing to say who they were, and C) that the cops released an arrested person at the request of a mob. The whole thing made little sense before, and it still seems weird to me.
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