UPDATED 7/23: More news about the Olympia Food Co-op boycott of Israeli goods

Here is a brief news round up of the media's take on Olmypia Food Co-op Boycott of Israeli goods.

KPFA Soujorner Truth Show here

Seattle Times here

An announcement on Democracy Now here

Ha'aretz, an Israeli nespaper, here

On the front page of the Olympian here

UPDATED JULY 23 with more news:

Alternative Information Center in Israel/Palestine here

Olympia KOMO News here

Olympia Covers Support Rally here

There are lots and lots of anti co-op posts on crazy right wing blogs and news sources that I will not repost.

Also, there have been a ton of horribly, hateful phone calls to the Co-op staff. They did not make the decision and it is harrassment. These are NOT supporters of the boycott who are doing this.

Those that support the boycott are directed to contact the board or sign the petition. Visit www.olympiabds.org on directions how to do so. The flood of calls do not represent the sentements of our community.

Other news on Boycott Divestment and Sanctions:

Governments Are Not Going to Change This. We Have To

Support of Olympia Food Co-op is questioned by Shin Beit

Israelis call for boycott of Israel

Comments

ostrich mentality

"There are lots and lots of anti co-op posts on crazy right wing blogs and news sources that I will not repost."

I love this line. Why don't you say if you don't think exactly like me, then you must be ignored. 

And let me ask you this:  If there are crazy right wing blogs and news, what are and where are their equal on the left?  PMS-DNC, Daily Kos, Huffington Report?

Kool-Aid Mentality

Of course they must ignore it.  The voices in the Kool-Aid told them to..

Your logical reasoning is

Your logical reasoning is quite poor. The poster is obviously aware of the various contrarian posts, he simply chooses not to link to them. So your "ostrich mentality" line, which implies a deliberate choice of ignorance, is a wrong conclusion on your part. Also, the OP never once says that the opposing view points must be ignored. He himself did not ignore them. He's simply giving the responsibility of finding & reading them over to the reader. Abe_Lincoln seems to feel that if other people don't do his work for him, then they are somehow suppressing him. This type of hubris, arrogance, childish foot-stomping and stunted reasoning is legion among conservatives. If you want to indulge in reading right-wing group-think, no one will prevent you. Mocking your attitude & calling you on your lack of intellectual ability is not the same thing as censorship. Conservatives people overwhelmingly have a hard time understaning this.

Well, I oppose the boycott,,,

...but I'm no fan of the fascist Israeli government. My problem is that the Co-op is simultaneously claiming that the boycott will have no impact at all on the buying choices of customers, but will somehow have a transformational effect on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

 

Hey, guess what: symbolic actions win symbolic victories at best. And unless you're also willing to boycott products from the Israelis' major military and political sponsor –– THE UNITED STATES –– then you're just another useless armchair activist trying to make yourself feel good for doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Let's assume, Mr. Pwood, that you're right

and that the boycotters you describe are "useless armchair activist[s] trying to make [themselves] feel good for doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING."  Does writing those words make you feel good even though it arguably does absolutely nothing but describe your opinion?  Does your armchair recline or rock?  Mine does both...and it spins too.

The boycott is changing the ISraeli government

Boycott Divestment and Sanctions do affect the Israeli governemnt. It forces Israel to consider its appearance to a world who is gradually seeing the human rights abuses against Palestinians for what they are - criminal. It gives tons of people hope all around the world that the occupation will end.
You are wrong about armchair activist. Over 45 people showed up to support the co-op today and stoofd in the hot sun. A huge amount of people are supporting this from all walks of life in the community and the diversity of support shows.

On U.S. "boycott"

I think the impossibility of boycotting our own country has been pointed out in a previous thread.  If I were to attempt to boycott US made products, I technically would have to stop eating the vegetables growing in my own yard because I (an American!) grew them!

Your inference that (because we're not boycotting the products of our own hands) local activists are doing nothing to resist US oppression of other peoples is obnoxious, incorrect, and tiring.  War tax resistance, home-based production, the direct provision of aid to people oppressed by our government, voting and lobbying, civil disobedience and direct action, membership in co-ops/credit unions/other economic alternatives, and voluntary poverty are all effective (and not uncommon) tools for resistance and social change.

How 'bout YOU tell us which of these YOU practice most?  

Bread & Roses

I was talking about harassment of people

There are blogs that are calling people racist names and saying they should attack people at their work and homes.

When I say right wing, I mean right wing. It is intimidation and harassment of people for their identity and belief. It is sickening to see this happen in our community.

Is this what you are talking about supporting?

That is what is happening to members of our community. It is reprehensible and has no place in Olympia.

Principle of Charity

Yesterday, I wrote about an idea called the Principle of Charity (http://www.divestthis.com/2010/07/principle-of-charity.html), a philosophical concept that translates into two sides being generous with each other when engaging in a debate over even the most heated subjects.

For example, it would be child’s play to make my way through the 500 some-odd comments that have appeared on just Oly news sites and blogs to find accusations of Jews controlling the global financial markets or other comments that would clearly be anti-Semitic and turn around and accuse the entire pro-boycott side of bigotry.  Similarly, “listening” no doubt had little difficulty finding ugly things being said about the Co-op on one or more blogs that could be used to characterize opponents of the boycott as violent, reactionary loons.

But the Principle of Charity requires us to actually assume the other side has something of substance to say on a matter, not to simply try to discredit opponents by searching out the most excessive voices among them and claiming (inaccurately) that a vulgar minority represents the whole.

I have, on no occasion, declared those pushing the boycott to be guilty of any form of hatred and don’t plan to, even if I find another handful of anti-Jewish nastygrams hidden among more substantive arguments to engage with and (hopefully) defeat. 

Perhaps those pushing the current storyline that says everyone who does not accept the boycotter’s position is a threatening, right-wing maniac would return the favor?

Abe and Look

Nothing prevents you from posting links to the vilest right wing diatribes and pretend news you can find on the intertubes.  Whether or not anyone else deems them worthy is an odd right winger preoccupation.  You are free...act like it.

opposing views?

Does anyone know of a good source of rationally expressed opposing views on this issue? I am surprised to see so few signatures on the olympiabds.org petition, especially so few local ones, and there are lots of anonymous ones.

Is there any reason, other than "it won't do any good," to not support the Co-op here?

 

Opposing Views

I have been writing on this topic all week at my anti-divestment blog Divest This.  While it's up to you to decide if I provide a rational opposing view of this whole business, I think they will at least demonstrate that attempts to characterize opponents of the boycott decision as threatening, right-wing maniacs might simply be an attempt to delegitimize legitimate opposing opinions:

http://www.divestthis.com/2010/07/olympia-snowed-washington-co-op-boycott.html

http://www.divestthis.com/2010/07/bdss-latest-victim.html

http://www.divestthis.com/2010/07/olympian-folly-in-whose-name.html

Co-op members who oppose the boycott are not maniacs

...and I don't know anyone who thinks so.

I think almost everyone in town was caught off-guard on this. And in light of the Ralph's pharmacy boycott, I think there's some good space for healthy discussion. 

For example, although I was not in favor of Stormann's decision, and although my wife and I wrote a letter voicing our concerns (to which we never received a reply) we have decided to shop there because we support having a local business at that location and would rather have a continuing relationship with them than Safeway or some other monstrosity.

So too, with the co-op maybe. At least our co-op is attempting to facilitate a healthy discussion instead ignoring us like the Stormanns. Amongst those members who disagree with the boycott, some will continue to shop there. Others have already said they'll "never" go back. No matter what. They are lost and there is no satisfying them. Some who disagree might return to shopping at the co-op over time and based on progress. I'm sure the board knew there would be losses in membership.

I'm sure everyone here can agree that our neighbors who oppose the boycott are not maniacs. There is ,however, with a story like this, which is getting so much international attention, the folks from elsewhere, who come in and stir things up and stoke the fire. 

Anyway, we're extremely off-topic here. Love ya OlyBlog! Goodnight.

Maniacs in Olympia - Oh No!

Just a subject heading to get people's attention :)

It is interesting how easily the topic gets off of the Israel/Palestine conflict. We talk about the mentality of this side or that side. We end about debating about Jewish values, feelings and thoughts - which are varied, not monolithic and should never be stereotyped by saying a certain side speaks for the Jewish community in Olympia.

I heard some pretty crazy stuff while shopping the other day. One sign said the Co-op boycott of Israeli products will not end until Israel ceases to exist. That's just plain fear mongering (but not maniacal). People seem pretty scared by this boycott, but this doesn't to have to do with the boycott itself or the actually demands of the boycott - that the occupation must end, refugees have the right of return and Arabs living in Israel have equal rights. Those demands seem pretty fair, eh?

Another person said to me after I expressed that it must be hard living next to the Gaza Strip and being in fear of rocket attacks but that didn't justify keeping 1.4 million people imprisoned, that it was Hamas' fault, basically justifying the collective punishment of people. That is not what the UN, Amnesty International, Oxfam and other great organizations say. He said that when their were settlements in Gaza Palestinians had access to health care and infrastructure, totally ignoring the fact that the little piece of land was divided up by settlements and all international law is opposed to the building of exclusive settlements on indigenous land.

People want to be heard and I look forward to that. This boycott has initiated more conversation about the Israel/Palestine conflict then most anything that has happened in Olympia. Conflict brings out the best and worst in people in this town. Rachel Corries killing did that and so did the City Council considering an official sister city with Rafah, Gaza Strip. Many folks who oppose the boycott are the same folks that opposed the sister city which consisted of pen pal relationships, art exchanges, and delegations. The stated argument was it is unfair to have a sister city with Palestine and not Israel. They then used the excuse that their should be a tri-lateral sister city. It was dishonest because the opposition wasn't interested in a creating a tri-lateral sister city, they just didn't want Olympia School kids to have pen pal programs with Palestinians kids.

And that is where the argument about the process of the boycott decision comes. People talk about process, which the board followed in the Co-op boycott statement and by-laws. Let's be honest - this is bunk. It is about Israel right or wrong.

Many people against the boycott say they care about Palestinians, but don't like the boycott. It is great that people care about Palestinians, but why do they spend so much time at the co-op protesting the boycott instead of doing something to help Palestinians? If boycott isn't the tactic, then that time could be used lobbying congress, supporting Israeli Refusers (Israel military that refuses to serve in the occupied territories), getting Palestinian political prisoners freed, educating people about the siege in Gaza and getting it to end, joining your local chapter of Amnesty International and writing letters, or creating a sister city with a Palestine city.

This hyperbole of misinformation can be silencing and just makes people uncomfortable talking about the issue and needs to be challenged in public and private ways. I'd love for people to be able to sit down and have a cup of tea and talk it through, yet if this boycott is about supporting Palestinians having human rights, then that must involve action. That is what the boycott is, an action and tactic to urge Israel to respect Palestinian humanity.

Whew...I'm done.

 

Support...

There are a nearly a thousand signatures suporting the boycott at www.olympiabds.org. Other endorsers include Naomi Klein, Nomy Lamm, Cindy Shehan.

This is a big deal to people all around the world AND co-op members.

Plenty of folks locally who have sent in supportive letters, notes to the board and thanked the staff. 45 people where there tooday supporting the co-op in their decision!

This is an exciting time to live in Olympia, unfortunately others are attacking the co-op and trying to make it look bad to our community.

 

Were there

Were there counter-protestors at Ralph's? I can understand if people disagree with a boycott, but really? People have their own beliefs and passions. I will admit to being pretty pro-Israel, I'm not going to stand in front of the coop throwing with a sign though.

Great Opportunity

There is a great and important opportunity here, because of this boycott, to have necessary conversations.

People need to be listened to. People need to be heard. I hope that people really take that approach to this.

I want to understand why people are opposed to the boycott. And I also want people to understand why I am in favor of the boycott. I want to listen and understand. And I want others to listen to, and to understand me.

For example, I have heard some boycott detractors state that they think Palestinians are inferior, and do not deserve to be treated well.

I can't imagine that is a common reason for supporting Israel, or for opposing the boycott. But I wonder how many people in Israel—and also how many people here in Olympia who oppose the boycott—have similar thoughts and feelings.

I want to know and understand.


Peace is Possible!

hear this?

The boycott does not stop the aggression of the nation of Israel (towards ANYONE), while the boycott does deprive a company that happens to be in Israel of support.

An aside:

The boycott does not stop any products that are produced directly by the nation of Israel nor does the boycott aid anyone directly or indirectly (unless you count the free media coverage of the Coop as aid). The boycott misrepresents the will of the members. The Coop is not even a cooperative, worker or member-owned company, and the Coop doesn't have a well-respected process for evaluating the ecological and social harm of any products it sells, much less stuff from a strife-ridden zone like Israel.

So, for me, the Coop is a graceless company that comes so close to being an OK small-town food market but constantly errs so far and wide that I find myself questioning my own family's membership...that and having friends who work there who are embarrassed and upset with the boycott (seemingly to no recourse), also makes me think that Coop is messed-up.

FOCUS ON THE FOOD PEOPLE! At the end of the day, isn't that (the food) what the Coop is all about?

chad360

What the Coop is about...

So over this tempest in a tea pot

Go Boycott.

Screw Zionists.

Moving on...

 

really?

"The flood of calls do not represent the sentements of our community."

really?

 

chad360

Flood of Calls

I have heard that most of the angry calls have come from out of county and even out of state. Those callers might not be part of the co-op community.


Peace is Possible!

location matters?

So, is it one planet or not? Your focus on "local" is pointless IF you believe we are all connected~

~the Coop is SEEKING global solidarity with the boycott, no?

chad360

Yeah

Yeah you have a point, but the co-op is also "member owned," so local accountability is also important in a different sort of way.


Peace is Possible!

Stand With Us is a right

Stand With Us is a right wing Israeli advocacy group (along with others) telling on folks around the world to harass the co-op for being anit-Semetic. They have also started some very scary facebook groups that are threatening co-op staff. The calls have been arriving during the morning, yet stop at midday when Settlements in the West Bank would be sleeping.

Hopefully, those calls do not generally come from our communities.

Isn't this the intent?

The coops decision was made public in order to shed light on the situation in Israel, wasn't opposition expected? If you want to shout your beliefs on the Internet you should expect everyone to hear, not just your followers.

So true Norm

Yep. With an issue like this everyone is going to know about it and that is important.

The line is crossed when you are threatening people's safety, calling and harassing them at work or in their home, or using racist, homophobic or derogatory language to silence people (all of which has happened to staff and supporting Co-op members).

You may want to research more about how silencing works on the Israel Palestine conflict. It is pretty interesting stuff going on out their in the cyber world.

Downtown business have been threatened that they will be boycotted if they advertise through the co-op. Sometimes peoples faces and names will be published on the internet.

This is pretty typical and sad. Hopefully we can start talking about the Israel/Palestine conflict i honest times in Olympia and stop being intimidated by people who want to do harm to our community.

 

Chad 360, so what makes it OKAY to kill 6 million Palestinians?

CHAD 360, so what makes it OKAY to kill 6 million Palestinians? Should we wait before another few thousand are killed to call it a "HOLOCAUST" or take any action going forward ?

Come on, let's talk about the core thing here !

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