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Hmm, I wanted more than one option
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:06pm.make the protesters/ those arrested pay
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:12pm.Now Bert...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:20pm.A Poll is created. Options
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:22pm.Is it right to belittle the user for their choice? If you had every intention of calling out people who voted "make the protesters/those arrested pay", then this is a baited trap.
What happens next is people get defensive and/or reactive, "it all starts up again", and since the docents are already tired and fed-up there could be a swift, Draconian crackdown which leads to a continuation of the simmering resentment.
Is it possible to ask us why we would vote that way, instead of telling us what we must be thinking? (and what a loaded statement it was, too.)
This might be better in a PM
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:30pm.You're Right
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:32pm.Aldo Leopold: "We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect."
Seriously Bert
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:33pm.I second that, he's a good
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:38pm.I really wish some of the better photo hounds on the blog
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:41pm.Me Too!
Submitted by JstPlnOnry on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 5:17pm.n/t
"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown
Yes! That would be
Submitted by ashley on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 6:48pm.Bert is actually Rob's evil twin
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:42pm.D'oh! Are we back to Rob officially? My bad.
Submitted by Norm on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:43pm.If in doubt, just call him
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:47pm.I voted "good for the Port"
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:26pm.That Makes Sense
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 3:31pm.And obviously, as an entity, the Port profited substantially from the shipment.
I wonder how much exactly the military paid to use the port.
Ouch
Submitted by Ehver Green on Tue, 03/11/2008 - 5:35pm.You can probably guess what I voted...
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 8:25am.However, when forced to decide, I think the most appropriate parties to make up for losses and damages are those members of the Bush Administration (and associated interests) who are responsible for causing this whole mess, war of domination and conquest, etc.
The problem is the policy. On a side note. I watched an ad for the Air Force last night (linked from WashingtonPost.com). It was scary the way the Major General was talking about global and even space based full spectrum dominance...
I guess I just prefer a cooperative foreign policy, rather than one that seeks to put down others for the national benefit (if it can even be called "benefit".)
Aldo Leopold: "We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect."
I watched an ad for the Air
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 10:07am.Here's an informal Army recruiting video that made me laugh. Some may not have the same view.
Of course, of any formal recruiting advertisement, the Marine Corps has a monopoly. (And another one.)
I think the Department of the Army should be responsible for paying for convoy security if it involves local law enforcement. The thing is that it won't happen very often, if at all. I imagine they'll start sending the National Guard - as council member Hyer appeared to be open to - which is far cheaper.
I have no idea how long it would take to mobilize a National Guard unit, though. From the stories I've heard about the Reserve/National Guard, you're lucky to get an entire unit to show up to a normally scheduled weekend formation.
Can't use military
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 12:51pm.In civil situations, that includes crowd control and convey escort duties stateside. Although the gubmint has already gutted Posse Comitatus
National Guard under control of the Governor is a different story, as they have become the de facto "militia" (although in the truest legal sense of the word they are not militia)
"MORBO SAYS STONE TO FLESH DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY."
This thread has me trying to
Submitted by ashley on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:10pm.Ask Ft. Lewis to save your
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:11pm.Did your comment here serve
Submitted by ashley on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:12pm.Yeah it did. It directed
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:16pm.Yeah it did. It directed you to the authority on why MP's were here. If you're interested in the truth of why they were here you should ask Ft. Lewis. If you want people to guess and create speculation so it's more inline with your thinking, go for it.
I asked a question. I don't
Submitted by ashley on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:21pm.I'm not going to link to
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 2:00pm.I'm not going to link to every comment you've had on port and TESC matters. Especially since you've had a name change.
Not agressive, just tired of hearsay and false information being propegated for all to read only to be proven wrong or inaccurate.
My name change here was not
Submitted by ashley on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 2:23pm.Even if you have an impression of who I am and what my views are, I'd like to request that in comments you respond to what's immediately before you and give me the benefit of the doubt-- it was a question about an apparent incongruity. What I heard in response seemed to be an attempt to dictate the manner in which I participate in this discussion, by calling my question an inappropriate attempt to stir speculation that would reinforce my views.
Fair enough.
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 3:54pm.To keep GI's in check?
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:11pm.Legally, without authorization from Bush there isn't much they can do. My best guess is they were there to make sure GI's didn't get out of line...
"MORBO SAYS STONE TO FLESH DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY."
Exactly, your best guess.
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:19pm.Exactly, your best guess. Anyone else have any guesses as to why? Let's make a list and then create a poll.
This is why Olyblog spins out of control at times. We don't take reponsibility for chasing down fact for ourselves. Instead, we rely on hearsay and sneaker-net to form opinions, rather than tracking down fact. Let's stop doing that and be citizen journalists, not citizen gossips.
That's your perception...
Submitted by Rick on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:24pm....in my experience, folks around here usually figure it out pretty quickly.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
But are they accurate? The
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 2:01pm.In all fairness,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 2:28pm.Really? There was some very
Submitted by ashley on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:26pm.Someone might know. They
Submitted by Ehver Green on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 2:04pm.Someone might know. They may also know wrong. My point is this -- if you really want to know the truth, without correction and speculation, you should ask Ft. Lewis.
I'm not going to say it any more Ashley and Rick. You're free to rely upon information that might ultimately be wrong. You know how to request accurate answers.
Although it may take awhile, a letter to the PR department
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 2:32pm.distractions
Submitted by chad360 on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 11:58am.In my opinion, most of what is going on with the US DoD is a "distraction" from the militarization of space taking place currently...
...to be honest, Space Command really scares the heck outta me, esp. since the DoD is "gung-ho" on the "power-sat" concept.
What is it you think is going to happen?
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 12:38pm.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
As of 9:30 Wednesday
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 8:33am.Didn't vote.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 9:10am.This is the first...
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 9:30am.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
May of '06
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 10:09am.It was early May. That's
Submitted by ashley on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 11:24am.I imagine they'll start sending the National Guard
Submitted by JT on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 10:40am.Could be a problem for the City. Really the work is the Police Guild's, and for the City to give it away with out negotiating likely is an unfair labor practice. I haven't done a bunch of research on the topic, but that is a first blush.
"I de-clutch, you know." Juan Manuel Fangio when asked how he avoids flat-spotting his tires when he spins the car.
I've wondered about that
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 10:43am.Here
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 11:03am.Relevant statutes are
Was actually talking about this with Phil last night. He thought something in the “Patriot Act” did away with Posse Comitatus. I said, "nope." But Phil was right (just wrong about the law). It wasn’t in the Patriot Act, but a provision in the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122.ENR), that allows the President to
So I guess the President could conceivably call out the Army to suppress the "unlawful conspirators" of Olympia. Hard to see how they can do so preemtively though...oops! Did I say "preemptive?"
oh wow
Submitted by ashley on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 11:33am.I remember seeing Fort Lewis MPs here in November. I don't think they actually got out of their vehicles, but they were definitely present. Based on your info here, they aren't supposed to be involved in enforcement of local law except by presidential order, and I can't imagine that was invoked here. Is there some other right by which they could have been here responding to civil disobedience?
FRO 98.5 FM
Submitted by djmega on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 12:57pm.City pays... with taxpayer funds.
Pentagon pays... with taxpayer funds.
Bush Administration pays... with taxpayer funds.
Lets send the bill to Halliburton!
Lets send the bill
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 12:59pm.To those convicted of some of the crimes... or PMR could have a bake sale or something.
It does suck that one way or another the taxpayer gets bitten.
"MORBO SAYS STONE TO FLESH DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY."
I agree S6
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:01pm.One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
A number of officers were stuck with
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:10pm.Rob Whitlock and Jeff Brigham
Submitted by security_six on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:14pm.can hold a mutual bake sale to pay for that too :-p
New sign too "God Bless home cookin' "
"MORBO SAYS STONE TO FLESH DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY."
no one is paid...
Submitted by chad360 on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 1:29pm....maybe until the "powers that be" figure out who is "footing the bill" for these costs, no one should get paid, but then again I'm all for volunteer peace-keepers in the community...
...and pls realize that when a sub-contractor(Halli., KBR, Wackenhut, etc...) works for our gov (at any level), we (the taxpayers) pay those costs.
I'm still confused~
WHO required/ordered the OPD to staff the Port?
Isn't the opportunity to work at the Port optional?
Chad, The OPD did not staff
Submitted by Keith Bausch on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 2:00pm.thanks for the info
Submitted by chad360 on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 8:43pm.Thanks, Keith !
Submitted by Jeff Brigham on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 9:31pm.Excellent point. The City is responsible for keeping public streets open for lawful traffic.
I can see the Port or the Military paying for any excess police presence needed for traffic control because of convoys or higher than normal traffic. But they are not responsible for keeping public streets in Olympia open for lawful traffic.
Jeff Brigham
"The best defense against terrorism is a strong offensive against terrorists. That work continues.”
President George W. Bush