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Submitted by The Original Yoda on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 9:45pm.
We seem to be having the old "post-procession honeymoon" feeling about our town lately. To balance things out, I'd like to hear what people hate about Olympia. Maybe hate is too strong of a word... What don't you like about Oly or what would you do different if you were the Monarch of the town. I think it would be fine to rant about what really bugs you but I can imagine a question such as this leading to hateful comments. THAT is not what I'm looking for.
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Car/plant interactions
Submitted by Marcie on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 10:07pm.I can't stand that some people drive over the plants in the traffic-calming thingys. When we lived on the westside, I would walk to work up (and down) the hill by the old St. Pete's hospital. It seemed that someone would always plow through those traffic calming devices, wrecking the beautiful plants and landscaping put in by the city. No sooner were they replaced then they would be run over again.
Now that we live on the Eastside, I notice that someone keeps running over the young trees planted on the corner of 4th and Puget (across from the fire station) in front of that big old house turned offices. It makes me sad because every time one is replanted, another one is run over.
Honestly....
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 10:13pm.That drum circle that sets up percival landing. No skill, just an annoying throbbing noise. Especially if I have partied the night before. :-)
Life's a reach, then you jibe.as an outsider
Submitted by enpen on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 10:28pm.I was blown away by the amount of artistic talent in Olympia. As a resident I am constantly blown away by the lack of community across the artistic divides.
An example would probably make this a bit more clear: I am a poet. Typically this means you go to readings, send in your stuff for *hoped for* publication, work your day job, reconsider Grad school, wax, know that you're misunderstood, commiserate with other poets about the crap getting published over yours, obsess over the sounds of language, etc. In practice what this usually means is that you coop yourself up to write and rarely socialize outside of your art. This seems to be a shared characteristic with a lot of the other arts. In Olympia it seems to be particularly bad and I think it's because we have the arts population of a metropolis all crammed together in a small city, so no matter your art you'll always be able to find fellow practitioners with whom to socialize instead of finding folks in other areas. As a result I see a lot of scrambling for crumbs instead of helping each other out to make a pie.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Well said...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 11:51pm....I can totally relate to being a crumb chaser but in the singer/songwriter groove, which as we all know, is the most worn out groove of them all. At least "poet" has a respectable aura.
Perhaps what is needed is an Olympian gesamkunstwerk.
nice Wagner
Submitted by enpen on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 12:51pm.Yes, "an Olympian gesamtkunstwerk."
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Tammy and I noticed that the
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 10:33pm.But if they're paying for their recent remodeling by denying us the way-too-many fries we've come to expect...well then...by God I'll write a blog about it. That'll show them!
After a lifetime of some benefit to himself and inconvenience to others, Crowley passed away in 1947
Former Olympian Paul Shrug
Ugh
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 10:57pm.I tell them to hold the fries. You guys can have them! :-p
Life's a reach, then you jibe.Don't tell anyone - but
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 11:01pm.After a lifetime of some benefit to himself and inconvenience to others, Crowley passed away in 1947
Former Olympian Paul Shrug
I guess I should eat there more often
Submitted by security_six on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 11:02pm.It seems I'm missing stuff...
Life's a reach, then you jibe.
I hate that whenever I go to the co-op these days...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 11:23pm....it's way too crowded. I can't wait until they figure out where they're gonna put the new one.
I also hate the Port of Olympia properties. Very ugly.
Although I love downtown, I hate to see empty storefronts and burned out buildings.
Finally, I hate our artesian well. I love the water and I love the idea of an artesian well and I'm pretty used to getting water out of a parking lot but come on! Compared to other artesian wells in other towns, ours sucks.
I like vacancies downtown
Submitted by jlw on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 7:02am.But back to hate. I hate the local fishwrapper. It's biased, and that's inevitable, but I think they're irresponsible in the way they target individuals with whom they disagree. A couple of prominent Olympians have really been excoriated by the Olympian, and it's a disgraceful abuse of power. The online comments are a cesspool, and the letters to the editor are not much better. Some of the letters to the editor have contained "hate speech," racism and bald-faced misrepresentations of fact. People are entitled to their opinions, of course, but I don't think the Olympian is obliged to print all those opinions.
Blujaybird There is a
Submitted by blujaybird on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 7:26am.Cars and the awful dating scene
Submitted by briotron on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 7:48am.2) I have always thought this is a lousy town to date or seek serious relationships with others. Even though it is full of young adults who are pretty damn unique, smart, attractive with an open world full of possibility right in front of them. Along with this, a double-standard in this town when it comes to sexism. If the awesome feminist women of this town don't want us to keep up this largely one-way game of chasing after girls, persuing them as prizes to win over, bothering them, whether or not we come off like creeps when we want them (and I hate this stupid contrived game myself, I wouldn't play it if it didn't seem like the only way to date anyone), then they need to persue us as often as we do with them. The dating game that largely consists of guys chasing girls, us doing most of the work, whether or not it seems creepy (guys are often taught in our culture to not even worry about this, just badger a girl enough because finally she'll say "yes") is sexist, contrived and old-fashioned (not that all relationships start this way). Treating women like property, or something we're entitled to, or should confidently persuade them that we're so rad they'd be foolish not to be with us, is not something many of us guys feel comfortable with, yet we'd like to date. But even girls (not so much in this town) have always told me that this is what they want and expect just because that's how it is. Gender roles are challenged often in this town, rightfully so, but the "dating scene" here is cold, and gender roles involved in dating need to be challenged too, so that it doesn't remain so cold and full of skepticism. That's just my flimsy analysis of something that's probably too difficult to analyze. But damnit, life is short, yet I've never seen a town full of so many bored single people of both sexes
If you're nice they'll treat
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:07am.Just keep offering to buy things - that's what got me anywhere in that game.
I just about edited out my "dating scene" gripe...
Submitted by briotron on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:38am.I appreciate your openness
Submitted by Chia on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:54am.I appreciate your openness with your thoughts about your experiences. I'm in the camp that says it's perfectly ok to express your thoughts and feelings.
It's interesting how my perspective of feminism in Oly differs from yours. After spending several years in the Boston area, I've never come across a more feminist-friendly environment than there. And that includes Olympia. I often see division of classes among women here, such as with expensive tickets to feminist musical venues,...and then there are the greeners and the non-greeners (or worse, non arts or musically inclined foreigners). It seems to me that the feminism here is more self-expressive than empowering. And that's perfectly ok, just different from what I'm used to...I'm sure I'll come to appreciate its uniqueness here, with time. And, actually, I've already begun that process, happily.
Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...
You're right
Submitted by Logarithm on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:56am.I think it's socially weird here in several ways
Submitted by jlw on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 3:34pm.My ex-wife got to the point
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 3:47pm.I have some theories on why men, especially within a certain age-bracket, can be passive - but if it's not worded carefully what I say could be misconstrued, used out of context, or otherwise lead to misunderstandings and hard feelings. I vaguely remember touching on the subject in a Broho Conversation with Meta - but I also have vague memories of being picked up off the ground and driven home so I'm not 100% sure what was said (other than "okay, I'll have another")
This approach is pretty unambiguous
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 3:54pm.I did something like that
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 3:54pm.Really?
Submitted by Logarithm on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 10:10am.Well, not most of the time
Submitted by jlw on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 10:32am.After my experience with
Submitted by NWarty on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 11:42am.After my experience with people down at "Procession" I wouldn't call people in Olympia friendly. Borderline cordial. I'm being a little snobbish here, but folks who haven't been to the deep south or the south in generally, haven't a clue what real friendly is like. I've lived in 12 different states, moved 32 times; Washington is the least friendly place I've been in, bar none.
I try to say "hello" while walking by folks on the street, only to be greeted with a look like I have a phallus growing out of my forehead.
See this thread: http://www.olyblog.net/blog/micah/newcomer-in-olympia-initial-observations
Okay, rant off.
"Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something." - Mitch Hedberg
Amen!
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 8:08pm.I lived in Texas for 6 months, and those were some of the finest people you could know! Irregardless of race or class I met some of the nicest, openest most welcoming folks you could imagine.
Life's a reach, then you jibe.This is what I do
Submitted by PeaceCompass on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 11:27pm.Boil 1/3 cup flax seeds in 2 cups water for ten minutes
Let cool till warm
Strain contents into tupperware with lid
Store in fridge for up to two weeks
Enjoy
Social Justic and Sustainability
Submitted by Chia on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:31am.Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...
definitely. at least we're better than average.
Submitted by briotron on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:42am.Sustainability
Submitted by Chia on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:59am.Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...
I wish there was another
Submitted by OperaGirl on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:40am.I wish there was another performing arts center. The Washington Center just isn't feasable for many community groups to use ~ such as OCS~ yet they are the only other place that can hold our audience at the size it's at now.
Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life. ~Ludwig van Beethoven
Arts Vacuum
Submitted by earball on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 10:20am.I'm with you! I get a lot of artists contacting me about doing a show here, and there's a paucity of venues for them. I refer them to bars and such, and to Traditions when it's appropriate. But we're badly lacking a medium sized venue -- something in the 200-250 range that's appropriate for the "world music"/acoustic groups that contact me. Something larger than Traditions, smaller than the Washington Center or Capitol Theater.
Another gripe: while it's improved immensely, there's still a glaring lack of diversity in Oly, about which I'm reminded whenever I travel to Seattle, or Portland, or Vancouver, or even some smaller towns. Some of our diversity is hidden, but I'd love to see more of it downtown -- different faces/clothes/languages.
Also, Oly lacks a pedestrian zone downtown. I lived in Boston for a while, and loved the streets that were off-limits to traffic. Even that block in Seattle that was closed for a few years. It makes such a vibrant public space, a real outdoor living room for people to meet, eat, hang out. Glad you started this discussion!
medium sized?
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 10:29am.Medium sized...
Submitted by earball on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 10:50am.Good suggestions. Harlequin is the right size (250) and is available sometimes when there's not a play on. But add to the availability issues the extra promotion needed to get people to see music at a space that isn't really a regular music venue, and it can be tough. Also, I have no idea what they charge.
Oly center has terrible acoustics, though the size is okay. Also a bit expensive, from what I recall in the past. Eagles Hall also has dubious acoustics, though it's getting known as a performance venue and is a decent size.
Capitol Playhouse has some of the same scheduling issues as Harlequin. I did produce a show there once, and I recall that the capacity was only around 150, so that is on the small side of medium.
Didn't know about the Knox building. Don't even know where it is, but I'd be happy to know more. Thanks!
Part of this is just laziness on my part. Well, that and an inability/unwillingness to produce these shows myself. I have plenty of other projects, so when musicians contact me I like to be able to connect them with a venue that will book them and take care of details (publicity, tickets, sound). Renting out these other spaces doesn't provide that. So someone open up a fabulous 200-250-seat musical venue, right quick!
Knox Building
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 11:02am.Map.
Picture.
Its basically an old school building on the corner of Legion and Eastside.
Oh, right...
Submitted by earball on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 11:06am.Black Box
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 11:09am.There are many "medium
Submitted by OperaGirl on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 11:44am.There are many "medium sized" theaters but OCS needs a space more similar to the Washington Center but it's just not feasable for us cost wise to rent it three nights, twice a year. Plus trying to get dates is next to impossible. So I really think another large performing arts center would be fantastic. Terry and I have dreamed of a theater co-op of sorts that many different groups could be a part of. Wishful thinking I know but it could be cool!
Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life. ~Ludwig van Beethoven
Check out SPSCC's Minert Theater
Submitted by Laurian on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 4:28pm.It's new, great acoustics and staffed and managed by people who know their sh*t.
Info at http://www.spscc.ctc.edu/CFA/venue.html
Minnaert, oh yeah!
Submitted by earball on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 4:36pm.You're right ~ It's a great
Submitted by OperaGirl on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 7:17pm.You're right ~ It's a great theater! Just not large enough. At our last concert we had close to 2500 between the three performances. The last show we had to turn people away. Minert Theater is a great space though from what I hear.
Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life. ~Ludwig van Beethoven
Boston has a lot going for
Submitted by Chia on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 2:50pm.Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...
Used to be all the white belts.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 9:21am.The gays
Submitted by Anthony on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 11:33am.??
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 11:44am.Maybe there's a connection
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 11:49am.I'd hide too.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 12:01pm.one-way streets...
Submitted by chad360 on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 5:54pm....I'd rather have a no-car-zone downtown, and have two-way streets that circle around downtown.
I also am bugg'd by the lack of a public plaza with a rail link to Seattle-Tacoma & Portland, OR.
...but I sure don't "hate" anything in Oly =)
ohh...ohh... trains!
Submitted by earball on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 6:52am.I'm also not a hater, but boy I sure would love to see a train service somewhere near downtown. Catching a choochoo to Seattle or Portland or beyond -- without having to drive to "East Olympia" (aka "West Yelm") -- what a dream!
Sure, you can take a bus to Seattle for cheap (with that transfer in Tacoma), but it's still subject to traffic.
Time to level the playing field between subsidies for cars/roads and those for trains/rail.
Also, I'm eager to see the old rail line from Capitol lake down West Bay Drive turned into a (less precarious) trail.
building a bridge to my island, are you?
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 6:54am.Oly's not an island, it's a planet!
Submitted by earball on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 7:01am.interesting...
Submitted by chad360 on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 11:10am.I have lived in Lakewood, right across from Pierce College, so to some extent I can hear you (big-time), but I disagree...Lakewood & Dupont will never have the history of Olympia...and what I'm saying, is history in the built environment (old buildings).
Biking through Dupont to work at Intel and going across the lake in Lakewood to get groceries is about as good as it gets in S. Pierce County, and I think that an increase in physical connectivity with the metro-regions of Seattle-Tacoma & Portland, OR would facilitate alot of social mixing...
...Oly is "insulated enough" by the mil. bases & geography, but I'm curious what (Emmett and everyone) thinks about a South Sound ferry services~
~any thoughts on water ferry idea?
PS: I'm dreaming of the day when the hybrid-electric boats start hitting the market =)
Might provide a great way to
Submitted by Chia on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 11:27am.Ferry Travel sounds like fun, too.
Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...
Absolutely!!
Submitted by Chia on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 7:05am.Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...
Carpool
Submitted by chad360 on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 11:14am.Where do you look for info on carpool?
Could OlyBlog have a transit page that discusses transpo stuff & also act as a ride board?
I know 'craigslist" is big in this scene, but perhaps OlyBlog could act as a good site for folks looking to carpool/ride share =)
I'd fire all the cops
Submitted by WallyCuddeford on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 11:50pm.Out of cannons
Submitted by WallyCuddeford on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 11:50pm.I'm sure some Olympians feel the same way about another group
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 11:43am.Well, I'm sure I'll receive some hate for this one, here goes
Submitted by Norm on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 11:55am.There are too many crazy bicyclists in Oly. Sane ones are ok, but I'm seeing more and more crazy bicyclists. I hate driving, and having to be overly cautious because I have no idea if the guy on the bicycle is actually going to follow the traffic law. Sure, I could feel this way with another car, but if 2 cars collide at 20mph I'm sure we'll both walk away, if I collide with a bike at 20mph....well I'd rather not think of the circumstances.
There isn't a REALLY good chinese restaurant in town. There are 1 or 2 ok places, but no REALLY good places....I miss that.
I despise all of the graffiti, seriously taggers, could you just find a better venue? It was intriguing for about 20 minutes, but you truly make Olympia ugly. This comment is meant to be outside of the freewall.
I'd like our indoor firing range back. I guess Puyallup or Tacoma isn't that far away, but it's nowhere near as friendly as the old OPD firing range.
I wish we had a cooler commuter setup. It would be cool to have a little train setup that travelled in a circle (of sorts) to all of the biggest employers in the tri-city area.
No offense to the anarchists on the board, but what is with all the anti-establishment bullshit in Oly? I feel like I'm back in high school with some of this stuff. If you want to hate on the president, I can see that, but hating on all authority whatsoever? Ridiculous.
Ok, off my soapbox.
I'm with you on the
Submitted by OperaGirl on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 12:13pm.I'm with you on the bicyclists. I had one guy come flying out of a side street through a crosswalk (not at a street light ~ at one of the random crosswalks on legion as you are coming into down town), not even looking, and I was RIGHT there. He's lucky I was paying attention and not speeding. The husby bikes a lot around town so I'm not a bike hater...I just want them to be more careful!
Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life. ~Ludwig van Beethoven
I REALLY HATE MOST OLY PROTESTS
Submitted by Marcie on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 6:47pm.It seems lately like everytime there's a protest, someone (or some group) has to break something. For pete's sake, just freakin' quit it! Why can't people get their message across without trashing something? When will they learn that IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE AND JUST MAKES OLYMPIA LOOK LIKE S$%T!!
I supported the Port protests, I support the May Day celebration, but I'm tired of defending the ideas because of the actions of some misguided protesters. They're making it really hard for me to care anymore, I just spend more time shaking my head in disgust.
You know, if there weren't disruptive people at protests...
Submitted by jlw on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 12:43am.That's why there is beer
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 12:56am.It takes you to the happy place :-)
Life's a reach, then you jibe.AMEN!
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 10:14am.2500 in Seattle and Portland
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 10:29am.combined. Much smaller than in previous years for the largest cities in Washington and Oregon. No arrests.
In Olympia we have unconfirmed reports of 100+ marching. 6 arrests. They can't spell either. Something is probably wrong with your city when "hate about" gets more attention than "love about" Olympia.
Well, it's not always Olympia.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 10:36am.We've had much bigger May Day celebrations with little or no criminal activity. Certainly not like the jerks who ruined yesterday. Was there violence in Portland/Seattle yesterday? Well, none was reported, but how much new grafitti popped up on walls and signs in those towns? I don't know. None? There were some arrests in LA and Sarasota (after a quick Google). Many arrests and conciderable violence in Germany and Turkey.
I am not going to characterize Olympia based on the actions of six misdirected dumbnuts.
I'm not sure if I want to characterize Olympia
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 10:41am.Oh, it's certainly a fair question
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 10:51am.Good to hear
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 10:54am.Me either
Submitted by Ehver Green on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 10:45am.Does anyone know if those arrested...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 11:02am.Good point, Yoda
Submitted by jlw on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 12:56pm.Or maybe Olympia has taken on that reputation
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 1:23pm.Do you think
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 7:08pm.The TV presence had any thing remotely at all to do with the fact that Oly is the seat of government in this state? As a general rule when you have a crowd marching around here it is probably newsworthy...
Life's a reach, then you jibe.Self-policing?
Submitted by Marcie on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 11:23am.Maybe what it takes is for people to "police" each other. I had a vision of being at the MayDay parade yesterday and stopping that person in black who started the rock-throwing. How would they take it if I (or someone else) gently put their arm on theirs and asked them to please refrain from such degrading behavior? Would they pause and think? Would it be enough to actually stop them? Would I ever really have the guts to do that?
It's our community, we should take more responsibility for it. Maybe that means participating in more of these events in order to act as a positive force in case someting negative arises. If it cuts out the police actions and possibly cuts out the negative attention it draws, then it must be worth a shot!
You are so much nicer than me
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 11:28am.How would they take it if I (or someone else) gently put their arm on theirs and asked them to please refrain from such degrading behavior?
Nicer than others too I think. I'm glad there are peaceful people, like you seem to be, in this world. At least in thought :)
On a side note, Yoda, I'm sorry for for hijacking the thread, and started one of my own. I'll start my lightsaber drills immediately.
I've seen it happen
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 11:35am.Self-policing can be effective.
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 11:44am.As a former Dead Head, I've witnessed it countless times. It helps if those, whose actions are deemed undesireable, feel a connection to the community and a desire to be a part of the whole.
Out-of-towners may feel less inclined to care about what others think of their actions. I wonder if some folks did say something to the rock-throwers etc.