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Submitted by The Original Yoda on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 9:45pm.

We seem to be having the old "post-procession honeymoon" feeling about our town lately. To balance things out, I'd like to hear what people hate about Olympia. Maybe hate is too strong of a word...

What don't you like about Oly or what would you do different if you were the Monarch of the town.

I think it would be fine to rant about what really bugs you but I can imagine a question such as this leading to hateful comments. THAT is not what I'm looking for.

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Car/plant interactions

I can't stand that some people drive over the plants in the traffic-calming thingys. When we lived on the westside, I would walk to work up (and down) the hill by the old St. Pete's hospital. It seemed that someone would always plow through those traffic calming devices, wrecking the beautiful plants and landscaping put in by the city. No sooner were they replaced then they would be run over again.

Now that we live on the Eastside, I notice that someone keeps running over the young trees planted on the corner of 4th and Puget (across from the fire station) in front of that big old house turned offices. It makes me sad because every time one is replanted, another one is run over.

 

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Honestly....

 That drum circle that sets up percival landing.  No skill, just an annoying throbbing noise.  Especially if I have partied the night before.  :-)

Life's a reach, then you jibe.
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as an outsider

I was blown away by the amount of artistic talent in Olympia. As a resident I am constantly blown away by the lack of community across the artistic divides.

An example would probably make this a bit more clear: I am a poet. Typically this means you go to readings, send in your stuff for *hoped for* publication, work your day job, reconsider Grad school, wax, know that you're misunderstood, commiserate with other poets about the crap getting published over yours, obsess over the sounds of language, etc. In practice what this usually means is that you coop yourself up to write and rarely socialize outside of your art. This seems to be a shared characteristic with a lot of the other arts. In Olympia it seems to be particularly bad and I think it's because we have the arts population of a metropolis all crammed together in a small city, so no matter your art you'll always be able to find fellow practitioners with whom to socialize instead of finding folks in other areas. As a result I see a lot of scrambling for crumbs instead of helping each other out to make a pie.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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Well said...

...I can totally relate to being a crumb chaser but in the singer/songwriter groove, which as we all know, is the most worn out groove of them all. At least "poet" has a respectable aura.

Perhaps what is needed is an Olympian gesamkunstwerk.

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nice Wagner

Yes, "an Olympian gesamtkunstwerk."

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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Tammy and I noticed that the

Tammy and I noticed that the Fries with our dinner at the Reef was way skimpier than what it's been before. If the Reef's management is responding to tons of untouched french fries being thrown away that's fine. If the war and/or recession has inflated the price of potatos and the Reef chose to shave portions in lieu of raising prices, that's fine.

But if they're paying for their recent remodeling by denying us the way-too-many fries we've come to expect...well then...by God I'll write a blog about it. That'll show them!

After a lifetime of some benefit to himself and inconvenience to others, Crowley passed away in 1947
Former Olympian Paul Shrug

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Ugh

 I tell them to hold the fries.  You guys can have them!  :-p  

Life's a reach, then you jibe.
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Don't tell anyone - but

Don't tell anyone - but sometimes we sub a salad instead and they don't charge extra - oh, wait, this is the "dislike thread", nevermind.

After a lifetime of some benefit to himself and inconvenience to others, Crowley passed away in 1947
Former Olympian Paul Shrug

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I guess I should eat there more often

It seems I'm missing stuff... 

 

Life's a reach, then you jibe.

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I hate that whenever I go to the co-op these days...

...it's way too crowded. I can't wait until they figure out where they're gonna put the new one.

I also hate the Port of Olympia properties. Very ugly.

Although I love downtown, I hate to see empty storefronts and burned out buildings.

Finally, I hate our artesian well. I love the water and I love the idea of an artesian well and I'm pretty used to getting water out of a parking lot but come on! Compared to other artesian wells in other towns, ours sucks.

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I like vacancies downtown

I figure vacancies help keep the rent reasonably low. And they give me a sense of possibility... maybe something really great will move in! I like the fact that interesting little businesses can afford to move in downtown, and those empty storefronts signify that to me.

But back to hate. I hate the local fishwrapper. It's biased, and that's inevitable, but I think they're irresponsible in the way they target individuals with whom they disagree. A couple of prominent Olympians have really been excoriated by the Olympian, and it's a disgraceful abuse of power. The online comments are a cesspool, and the letters to the editor are not much better. Some of the letters to the editor have contained "hate speech," racism and bald-faced misrepresentations of fact. People are entitled to their opinions, of course, but I don't think the Olympian is obliged to print all those opinions.

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Blujaybird There is a

Blujaybird There is a certain form of apathy here in Olympia that really bothers me. When I first moved her from Seattle I was amazed at how folks would say they are going to do something and then ...nothing, not a phone call or anything. Then I will run into them weeks later and they will say "Oh that, well I got high that night and decided to stay home." This happens a lot. I also hate that it is perceived as "uncool" to actually be excited about something. If you jump up and down and say "Wow, that is really neat!" Everyone around just yawns really big, shrugs their shoulders and says, "Oh, yeah, well my friends been doing that for years." I totally agree with enpen who said, "As a result I see a lot of scrambling for crumbs instead of helping each other out to make a pie." Olympia tends to implode and not explode.
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Cars and the awful dating scene

1) I wish there were less cars here, I guess I'll feel that way wherever I am. Whenever I walk downtown I just think, as a car-despising pedestrian and cyclist,

2) I have always thought this is a lousy town to date or seek serious relationships with others. Even though it is full of young adults who are pretty damn unique, smart, attractive with an open world full of possibility right in front of them. Along with this, a double-standard in this town when it comes to sexism. If the awesome feminist women of this town don't want us to keep up this largely one-way game of chasing after girls, persuing them as prizes to win over, bothering them, whether or not we come off like creeps when we want them (and I hate this stupid contrived game myself, I wouldn't play it if it didn't seem like the only way to date anyone), then they need to persue us as often as we do with them. The dating game that largely consists of guys chasing girls, us doing most of the work, whether or not it seems creepy (guys are often taught in our culture to not even worry about this, just badger a girl enough because finally she'll say "yes") is sexist, contrived and old-fashioned (not that all relationships start this way). Treating women like property, or something we're entitled to, or should confidently persuade them that we're so rad they'd be foolish not to be with us, is not something many of us guys feel comfortable with, yet we'd like to date. But even girls (not so much in this town) have always told me that this is what they want and expect just because that's how it is. Gender roles are challenged often in this town, rightfully so, but the "dating scene" here is cold, and gender roles involved in dating need to be challenged too, so that it doesn't remain so cold and full of skepticism. That's just my flimsy analysis of something that's probably too difficult to analyze. But damnit, life is short, yet I've never seen a town full of so many bored single people of both sexes
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If you're nice they'll treat

If you're nice they'll treat you like a doormat - even the decent ones. When you finally stand up for yourself - even to those who encouraged you to - you're a bully who always has to get their way. I could go on and on but that would hijack the thread.

Just keep offering to buy things - that's what got me anywhere in that game.

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I just about edited out my "dating scene" gripe...

.. thinking ah shit, this is a very subjective can of worms. And gee maybe I shouldn't vent my negative attitude about it, just stay pro-active. but ok, cool, someone has replied to it. but yeah, it is already a tightrope in this culture to be a guy and seek a girl to date. but in this town, the tightrope is way thinner. when i moved here last year for the second time, from a bigger city, I quickly realized oh shit, that's right, i'm in oly, I can't meet/flirt with girls here that I've just met in the same way as I was used to in Seattle. In this town, I have never in my life been part of, or overheard, so many gender-issue-obsessed conversations in which guys, especially white guys, are treated like such suspects, assholes, oppressors, and that oh, so many guys are so fucked up and such a part of the problem of society that they will never even realize how. I'm pretty receptive, I feel like I've heard it all. So as a single, very liberal white guy in this town, I've always felt, any time I've ever lived here, that I'm kind of a suspect here or something. It takes longer to earn the trust of girls here, for them to finally realize that no, you aren't a creep, rapist or alpha-male oppressor. Which leaves me thinking, god can people here just fucking relax or what? Do I move to Hawaii or Florida or something? The ice is kinda thick in this town unless you meet a really rad girl who moved here from across the country, from a more sunny, happy, laid-back place. And I wish this town had more of them, frankly. Living in Seattle I'd never met/dated so many girls. When I moved back here last year my best friend told me, and we've joked ever since, "Oly? oh shit. You will never get laid in that town. mark my words." I actually have but regretfully so, with girls I was hardly even attracted to and met on saturday nights during the dreary, depressing, lonely winter we all just braved. But what you said about being a doormat or bully--beyond Oly, and as an American culture thing, it is a shame that guys usually learn that it's better to err on the side of being a "bully" than "doormat".
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I appreciate your openness

I appreciate your openness with your thoughts about your experiences. I'm in the camp that says it's perfectly ok to express your thoughts and feelings.

It's interesting how my perspective of feminism in Oly differs from yours. After spending several years in the Boston area, I've never come across a more feminist-friendly environment than there. And that includes Olympia. I often see division of classes among women here, such as with expensive tickets to feminist musical venues,...and then there are the greeners and the non-greeners (or worse, non arts or musically inclined foreigners). It seems to me that the feminism here is more self-expressive than empowering. And that's perfectly ok, just different from what I'm used to...I'm sure I'll come to appreciate its uniqueness here, with time. And, actually, I've already begun that process, happily.

Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...

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You're right

I've had the same thoughts about the dating scene here. It's not just dating, it's hard to meet people. Everyone's so friendly, but try to actually hang out with someone and it becomes fairly difficult. It's taken me a lot longer to make real friends here than other places I've lived.
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I think it's socially weird here in several ways

One, I've never lived in a place where people were so suspicious of your motives if you initiated a conversation with a member of the opposite sex. I'm female, and I've frequently found my motives misunderstood when I'm just chatting with a member of the opposite sex. I'm pretty friendly, but people seem to think there's more to it than simple friendliness. I've had guys sort of explain that they had girlfriends, to which I wanted to reply, "Yeah? So? She won't let you talk to people?" and occasionally I've had girlfriends glare daggers at me, when believe me, I had no sexual interest in their guys, I was just interested in what they were saying. I haven't noticed nearly this level of misunderstanding if I start chatting with a lesbian. Go figure. Then, two, a lot of women complain that the heterosexual men here are very passive. I guess maybe what Briotron wrote explains why men here are reluctant to be assertive, but I've certainly heard women complain that the men here never take the initiative. Then, when some guy does get assertive with an Oly female, he usually turns out to be from out of town. It's strange, no question.
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My ex-wife got to the point

My ex-wife got to the point where she didn't even want me talking to my sister. On the flipside Tammy jokingly refers to various friends as my girlfriend.

I have some theories on why men, especially within a certain age-bracket, can be passive - but if it's not worded carefully what I say could be misconstrued, used out of context, or otherwise lead to misunderstandings and hard feelings. I vaguely remember touching on the subject in a Broho Conversation with Meta - but I also have vague memories of being picked up off the ground and driven home so I'm not 100% sure what was said (other than "okay, I'll have another")

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This approach is pretty unambiguous

 

 

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I did something like that

I did something like that once - the woman pulled her car over and informed me if she ever saw that again she'd report me.
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Really?

OK, I never get that. Maybe people don't think I'm a threat. But I find people here generally extremely friendly. It's totally ok to strike up a conversation with random people and they don't question your motives. In SoCal, people looked at me like I was a freak or a robber if I struck up a conversation with someone randomly (like while waiting in a line).
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Well, not most of the time

Most of the time people are receptive and friendly. It's just that weird reaction happens more here than elsewhere. Like, attributing sexual motives where there are none. I don't get that bank robber reaction much here -- and I do know exactly what you mean by that!
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After my experience with

After my experience with people down at "Procession" I wouldn't call people in Olympia friendly. Borderline cordial. I'm being a little snobbish here, but folks who haven't been to the deep south or the south in generally, haven't a clue what real friendly is like. I've lived in 12 different states, moved 32 times; Washington is the least friendly place I've been in, bar none.  

I try to say "hello" while walking by folks on the street, only to be greeted with a look like I have a phallus growing out of my forehead.  

See this thread: http://www.olyblog.net/blog/micah/newcomer-in-olympia-initial-observations 

 

Okay, rant off.  

 

"Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something." - Mitch Hedberg

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Amen!

 I lived in Texas for 6 months, and those were some of the finest people you could know!  Irregardless of race or class I met some of the nicest, openest most welcoming folks you could imagine.  

Life's a reach, then you jibe.
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This is what I do

Boil 1/3 cup flax seeds in 2 cups water for ten minutes

Let cool till warm

Strain contents into tupperware with lid

Store in fridge for up to two weeks

Enjoy

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Social Justic and Sustainability

I wish that more organizations would consider animal rights and sustainability by hosting vegetarian fundraisers and potlucks.

Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...

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definitely. at least we're better than average.

although I'm not sure who I am to talk-- I'm not part of any animal rights organizations, the whole issue feels so sadly hopeless to me. but i am vegan and don't drive. this town is alright w/ being supportive of vegans but I swear, even many lefty-leaning and anarchist-sympathetic people in this town drive. And for chrissakes, it takes hardly any time to walk from one part of town to another, it's a nice thing to do! but I hardly ever seen pedestrians walking from like, downtown to eastside or westside
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Sustainability

I think it's a lifestyle package...compassionate consumption and environmentalism (both travel and diet related). And although Olympia is very vegan friendly, the animal rights friendliness isn't as evident since AR oriented people are expected to be polite and overlook the suffering and speciesism on the plate of the person at the table next to us. It can be really distressing at times, especially in a town where people seem to understand oppression on so many other levels.

Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...

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I wish there was another

I wish there was another performing arts center.  The Washington Center just isn't feasable for many community groups to use ~ such as OCS~  yet they are the only other place that can hold  our audience at the size it's at now.   

Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life. ~Ludwig van Beethoven

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Arts Vacuum

I'm with you! I get a lot of artists contacting me about doing a show here, and there's a paucity of venues for them. I refer them to bars and such, and to Traditions when it's appropriate. But we're badly lacking a medium sized venue -- something in the 200-250 range that's appropriate for the "world music"/acoustic groups that contact me. Something larger than Traditions, smaller than the Washington Center or Capitol Theater.

 Another gripe: while it's improved immensely, there's still a glaring lack of diversity in Oly, about which I'm reminded whenever I travel to Seattle, or Portland, or Vancouver, or even some smaller towns. Some of our diversity is hidden, but I'd love to see more of it downtown -- different faces/clothes/languages.

Also, Oly lacks a pedestrian zone downtown. I lived in Boston for a while, and loved the streets that were off-limits to traffic. Even that block in Seattle that was closed for a few years. It makes such a vibrant public space, a real outdoor living room for people to meet, eat, hang out. Glad you started this discussion!

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medium sized?

Are Harlequin and Capital Playhouse not available to outside performers? The Oly Center has a stage and you can split the A/B room in half, so you can have just the B Room and the Stage. There's the stage at the Knox Building (its really cheap to rent, compared to the Oly Center).
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Medium sized...

Good suggestions. Harlequin is the right size (250) and is available sometimes when there's not a play on. But add to the availability issues the extra promotion needed to get people to see music at a space that isn't really a regular music venue, and it can be tough. Also, I have no idea what they charge.

Oly center has terrible acoustics, though the size is okay. Also a bit expensive, from what I recall in the past. Eagles Hall also has dubious acoustics, though it's getting known as a performance venue and is a decent size.

Capitol Playhouse has some of the same scheduling issues as Harlequin. I did produce a show there once, and I recall that the capacity was only around 150, so that is on the small side of medium.

Didn't know about the Knox building. Don't even know where it is, but I'd be happy to know more. Thanks!

Part of this is just laziness on my part. Well, that and an inability/unwillingness to produce these shows myself. I have plenty of other projects, so when musicians contact me I like to be able to connect them with a venue that will book them and take care of details (publicity, tickets, sound). Renting out these other spaces doesn't provide that. So someone open up a fabulous 200-250-seat musical venue, right quick!

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Knox Building

Map.

Picture.

Its basically an old school building on the corner of Legion and Eastside.

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Oh, right...

...THAT building. Didn't know they had a stage, though. Will check it out.
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Black Box

I've been to one performance there awhile back and I'm not sure if its still around, but is that an option?
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There are many "medium

There are many "medium sized" theaters but OCS  needs a space more similar to the Washington Center but it's just not feasable for us cost wise to rent it three nights, twice a year.  Plus trying to get dates is next to impossible.   So I really think another large performing arts center would be fantastic.  Terry and I have dreamed of a theater co-op of sorts that many different groups could be a part of.  Wishful thinking I know but it could be cool!

Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life. ~Ludwig van Beethoven

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Check out SPSCC's Minert Theater

It's new, great acoustics and staffed and managed by people who know their sh*t.

Info at http://www.spscc.ctc.edu/CFA/venue.html

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Minnaert, oh yeah!

Yes indeed - the Minnaert Center is a fine facility, with great sound and competent staff and a general niceness about it all. Good art, too. But at 500 seats (and relatively high rental fees), it's still not the medium sized venue I'm looking for. Or maybe you weren't talking to me.
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You're right ~ It's a great

You're right ~ It's a great theater!   Just not large enough.  At our last concert we had close to 2500 between the three performances.  The last show we had to turn people away.  Minert Theater is a great space though from what I hear.

Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life. ~Ludwig van Beethoven

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Boston has a lot going for

Boston has a lot going for it. You're making me want to go back and visit :) The common and pedestrian areas are definitely a bonus, I agree. I wonder if the variety of colleges and universities fuel the creative thinking and good planning that goes on there. Would love to see Oly emulate some of the things that work so well there.

Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...

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Used to be all the white belts.

Then it was those hats with ears. Now it's hearing someone talk about moving to Portland. Oh, and over-packing your cigarettes. You really don't need to smack them so many damn times folks.
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The gays

are hiding!
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Maybe there's a connection

Maybe there's a connection between the lousy hetero dating scene and the fact that the gays are hiding. ;)
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I'd hide too.

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one-way streets...

...I'd rather have a no-car-zone downtown, and have two-way streets that circle around downtown.

I also am bugg'd by the lack of a public plaza with a rail link to Seattle-Tacoma & Portland, OR.

...but I sure don't "hate" anything in Oly =)

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ohh...ohh... trains!

I'm also not a hater, but boy I sure would love to see a train service somewhere near downtown. Catching a choochoo to Seattle or Portland or beyond -- without having to drive to "East Olympia" (aka "West Yelm") -- what a dream!

Sure, you can take a bus to Seattle for cheap (with that transfer in Tacoma), but it's still subject to traffic.

Time to level the playing field between subsidies for cars/roads and those for trains/rail.

Also, I'm eager to see the old rail line from Capitol lake down West Bay Drive turned into a (less precarious) trail.  

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building a bridge to my island, are you?

That dream of train service is my nightmare. I'm of the opinion (rare as it is) that easy train service through Olympia would turn us into Lakewood or Dupont. I like it being just a little bit hard to get out of town.
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Oly's not an island, it's a planet!

Planet Olympia
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interesting...

I have lived in Lakewood, right across from Pierce College, so to some extent I can hear you (big-time), but I disagree...Lakewood & Dupont will never have the history of Olympia...and what I'm saying, is history in the built environment (old buildings).

Biking through Dupont to work at Intel and going across the lake in Lakewood to get groceries is about as good as it gets in S. Pierce County, and I think that an increase in physical connectivity with the metro-regions of Seattle-Tacoma & Portland, OR would facilitate alot of social mixing...

...Oly is "insulated enough" by the mil. bases & geography, but I'm curious what (Emmett and everyone) thinks about a South Sound ferry services~

~any thoughts on water ferry idea?

PS: I'm dreaming of the day when the hybrid-electric boats start hitting the market =)

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Might provide a great way to

Might provide a great way to get to the north part of the Olympic Pen...love the Merrymere Falls and Crescent Lake area :)

Ferry Travel sounds like fun, too.

Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...

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Absolutely!!

A regional transit rail connecting Portland with Seattle and beyond...great idea. I'd like for it to be easier (and faster) to get to Seattle without having to find a carpool.

Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...

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Carpool

Where do you look for info on carpool?

Could OlyBlog have a transit page that discusses transpo stuff & also act as a ride board?

I know 'craigslist" is big in this scene, but perhaps OlyBlog could act as a good site for folks looking to carpool/ride share =)

 

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I'd fire all the cops

I'd fire all the cops
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Out of cannons

Out of cannons
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I'm sure some Olympians feel the same way about another group

nt
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Well, I'm sure I'll receive some hate for this one, here goes

There are too many crazy bicyclists in Oly. Sane ones are ok, but I'm seeing more and more crazy bicyclists. I hate driving, and having to be overly cautious because I have no idea if the guy on the bicycle is actually going to follow the traffic law. Sure, I could feel this way with another car, but if 2 cars collide at 20mph I'm sure we'll both walk away, if I collide with a bike at 20mph....well I'd rather not think of the circumstances.

There isn't a REALLY good chinese restaurant in town. There are 1 or 2 ok places, but no REALLY good places....I miss that.

I despise all of the graffiti, seriously taggers, could you just find a better venue? It was intriguing for about 20 minutes, but you truly make Olympia ugly. This comment is meant to be outside of the freewall.

I'd like our indoor firing range back. I guess Puyallup or Tacoma isn't that far away, but it's nowhere near as friendly as the old OPD firing range.

I wish we had a cooler commuter setup. It would be cool to have a little train setup that travelled in a circle (of sorts) to all of the biggest employers in the tri-city area.

No offense to the anarchists on the board, but what is with all the anti-establishment bullshit in Oly? I feel like I'm back in high school with some of this stuff. If you want to hate on the president, I can see that, but hating on all authority whatsoever? Ridiculous.

Ok, off my soapbox.

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I'm with you on the

I'm with you on the bicyclists.  I had one guy come flying out of a side street through a crosswalk (not at a street light ~ at one of the random crosswalks on legion as you are coming into down town), not even looking, and I was RIGHT there.  He's lucky I was paying attention and not speeding.  The husby bikes a lot around town so I'm not a bike hater...I just want them to be more careful!

Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life. ~Ludwig van Beethoven

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I REALLY HATE MOST OLY PROTESTS

It seems lately like everytime there's a protest, someone (or some group) has to break something. For pete's sake, just freakin' quit it! Why can't people get their message across without trashing something? When will they learn that IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE AND JUST MAKES OLYMPIA LOOK LIKE S$%T!!

I supported the Port protests, I support the May Day celebration, but I'm tired of defending the ideas because of the actions of some misguided protesters.  They're making it really hard for me to care anymore, I just spend more time shaking my head in disgust.  

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You know, if there weren't disruptive people at protests...

... the Olympian would have to pay somebody to disrupt them. That paper gets so much mileage out of these incidents. While, of course, totally ignoring the majority of peaceful participants and the messages of the sponsoring organizations. Have you seen how many comments there are about the "breaking news" story on the online version? Lots of hits means lots of money for the Zero!
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That's why there is beer

 It takes you to the happy place :-) 

Life's a reach, then you jibe.
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AMEN!

I can understand the protests, but it really gets ridiculous in this city. One of the Olympian commenters said something interesting: Where was the violence in Portland/Seattle yesterday? Why Olympia?
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2500 in Seattle and Portland

combined.  Much smaller than in previous years for the largest cities in Washington and Oregon.  No arrests.

In Olympia we have unconfirmed reports of 100+ marching.  6 arrests.  They can't spell either.  Something is probably wrong with your city when "hate about" gets more attention than "love about" Olympia.

Spelling is hard

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Well, it's not always Olympia.

We've had much bigger May Day celebrations with little or no criminal activity. Certainly not like the jerks who ruined yesterday. Was there violence in Portland/Seattle yesterday? Well, none was reported, but how much new grafitti popped up on walls and signs in those towns? I don't know. None? There were some arrests in LA and Sarasota (after a quick Google). Many arrests and conciderable violence in Germany and Turkey.

I am not going to characterize Olympia based on the actions of six misdirected dumbnuts.

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I'm not sure if I want to characterize Olympia

but I assume there are dumbnuts all over the place in this state. Why did Olympia's dumbnuts choose to come out and play badly? LA and Sarasota make sense, they are bigger than Seattle/Portland and have a larger pool of dumbnuts to pull from. Olympia doesn't make sense, yet during so many of the protests here there is always a handful of dumbnuts that ruin it for the rest of the group. I think this is a valid question. I'm not sure I can ever find the answer, but it's a little bothersome.
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Oh, it's certainly a fair question

Why did that happen yesterday in Olympia? Its just that we've had some pretty sizable protests, assemplies, marches, etc. that did not result in violence. Some folks (just visit the Oly comments) make it sound like it happens every time. But, yes, the question is worth asking. Do disputing that.
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Good to hear

because really Oly area (lacey and tumwater too) don't seem to be overly violent. It would be interesting to see the violent crime rate, per capita, for Olympia vs portland, seattle, and maybe throw LA in there. Of course this might be better for another thread. :)
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Me either

I'll go back to '06 and use all of the events leading up to May Day.  There are just too many to list.
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Does anyone know if those arrested...

...are Olympia residents? Sometimes, I wonder if Oly attracts les agents provocateur.
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Good point, Yoda

Although it doesn't necessarily follow that any provocateurs in attendance would be the ones arrested. I had to work yesterday, but I stopped by the capitol steps before the mob swarmed inside the building, and was amazed at how many television crews were in attendance. Why? Do Seattle TV stations usually send cameramen down to film 100-person immigrants' rights marches? Or did someone tip them off that there would be a good show in Olympia?
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Or maybe Olympia has taken on that reputation

nt
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Do you think

 The TV presence had any thing remotely at all to do with the fact that Oly is the seat of government in this state?  As a general rule when you have a crowd marching around here it is probably newsworthy...  

 

Life's a reach, then you jibe.
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Self-policing?

Maybe what it takes is for people to "police" each other. I had a vision of being at the MayDay parade yesterday and stopping that person in black who started the rock-throwing. How would they take it if I (or someone else) gently put their arm on theirs and asked them to please refrain from such degrading behavior? Would they pause and think? Would it be enough to actually stop them? Would I ever really have the guts to do that?

It's our community, we should take more responsibility for it. Maybe that means participating in more of these events in order to act as a positive force in case someting negative arises. If it cuts out the police actions and possibly cuts out the negative attention it draws, then it must be worth a shot!

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You are so much nicer than me

How would they take it if I (or someone else) gently put their arm on theirs and asked them to please refrain from such degrading behavior?

Nicer than others too I think. I'm glad there are peaceful people, like you seem to be, in this world. At least in thought :)

On a side note, Yoda, I'm sorry for for hijacking the thread, and started one of my own. I'll start my lightsaber drills immediately.

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I've seen it happen

But I think it takes organization more than just guts. When people feel responsible for the message they are projecting there's more of an incentive to prevent it from being hijacked by agitators. The massive union march at WTO is an example of that. Things fell apart later. Your second paragraph is right on.
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Self-policing can be effective.

As a former Dead Head, I've witnessed it countless times. It helps if those, whose actions are deemed undesireable, feel a connection to the community and a desire to be a part of the whole.

Out-of-towners may feel less inclined to care about what others think of their actions. I wonder if some folks did say something to the rock-throwers etc.

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