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Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 5:54pm.
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I was a typical gay-basher
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 6:42pm.I don't think it was any one thing that switched me, it certainly wasn't any snapping of the fingers. During Desert Storm I was downtown on the Pro-War side of the street (I know, I know, but I was young and CNN was showing footage of trucks blowing up) and I got along great with a soldier in the group. When that night broke up I was offered a lift home or a place to crash; I was having too much fun and didn't want to go home so I took his offer to crash. Turned out he was gay, and turned out that wasn't any big deal, none of the stereotypes concerning mannerisms or recruitment took place.
And then I discovered Rocky Horror. And then I was close friends with someone who eventually became a gay-rights activist until she finally came out of the closet. And then I was in the Drama Club my Senior year.
And then Bill Clayton, younger brother of a friend of mine, and someone I got along great with, was beaten unconscious on school grounds by a gang of thugs...a month later he took his life.
Actually getting to know people was a good step...finding out people I knew were gay and realizing they were the same people I always thought they were. Getting over the "ick factor" which was actually easy.
Thank you, Merwyn.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 6:52pm.. . . . .
Submitted by PeaceCompass on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 6:55pm.During the first gulf war (young) I said to my grandfather, "If we want to win why don't we just drop nuclear bombs on them"? He, a WW2 Medic, shaking his head, started off by explaining the impact of the two mistakes over Japan.
I then understood.
Growing up in a small town I never thought I would someday know as many 'straight' people as 'gay' ones.
Camp Quixote
Submitted by Ehver Green on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 7:14pm.Something I've changed my
Submitted by Chia on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 7:42pm.---------
Nonviolence Includes Animals:
audio
"PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk's address to the International Nonviolence Conference in Bethlehem"
having kids
Submitted by IFerguson on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 8:17pm.. . . . . . .
Submitted by PeaceCompass on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 12:07am.The world.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 9:10pm.Before the age of 25 I was a single being not connected to anyone or anything. My thoughts, views, and reflections did not go beyond my own best interests. I was a poor friend, lover, neighbor, and human.
When I was 25 I was injured at work and it put me out of commission for an entire year. During that time, after the initial period of laziness and sloth, I got really bored and my thoughts turned inward. I began writing, almost constantly, vast amounts of vomitous poetry and prose. If I wasn't physically writing it I was thinking about it and would write it down later. That started me into asking myself a series of defining questions about who I was and who I wanted to be. The answers began coming as fast as the questions, most of them were a lot different than who I was up until that time.
I had made all of these realizations about myself but had no idea how to apply them. At some point I would have to go back to work and how would I stick to my newfound principles if I got sucked back into everyday life? A month shy of four years ago, my friend Chuck handed me a rolled up newspaper and said, "You write, you should try to get printed in here."
I unrolled the paper after we parted ways and it was a rag called 'The Voice of Olympia', now out of print, while it was in circulation it was by far the best street paper in the nation in terms of design and content, mostly thanks to it's founder, some woman named Meeta or Mita or something like that (I think she's related to that wrestler guy, The Hulkster). Anyhow, I flipped through it and found a notice that said they needed help with ad sales, and I had done that kind of work before, so I called the number, talked to Meta (that's it!) Hogan and went down the next day.
I think I knew from the very first moment that I walked into Bread and Roses, despite the fears of something new and my own vast amounts of insecurity, that my life was going to be different from there on out. Meta and Phil welcomed me into their lives with open arms and hearts, they introduced me to ways of thinking and being in this world that I desperately needed. From there my world kept expanding and I met more people like my dear friends Andy and Brent and then it expanded more as I took on more work at B&R and in the community.
Four years later, I think about how much I've changed and it's like night and day. I was afraid. I was afraid of the world and so I became insular, I built a shell around myself. If I didn't let anybody in, then I couldn't be hurt. Now I know, that if you never let anybody or anything in, you'll never love, be loved, learn, succeed, fail, laugh, cry, never experience any of the things that make us a unique species, and most importantly, never be truly happy.
I have changed my mind about everything, and (hopefully) the world is better for it.
"Now I know, that if you
Submitted by OperaGirl on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 10:35pm."Now I know, that if you never let anybody or anything in, you'll never love, be loved, learn, succeed, fail, laugh, cry, never experience any of things that make us a unique species, and most importantly, never be truly happy. "
Yeah that.
Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life. ~Ludwig van Beethoven
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Submitted by PeaceCompass on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 12:29pm.I change my mind all the
Submitted by OperaGirl on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 10:32pm.I change my mind all the time...I'm a fickle little thing.
Music is the mediator between the spiritual and the sensual life. ~Ludwig van Beethoven
So many things...
Submitted by Mike on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 11:23pm.I grew up in Portland
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 2:31am.Huge Clyde Drexler and Olajuwon fan
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 9:25am.I thought he could play heads-up against Michael Jordan and the teams would have an exciting final. I thought Clyde was a wonderful person, hugely talented and self-effacing. I was unable to factor in the difference in ego strength and the need to win in a matchup between Clyde and MJ. Same thing to a lesser extent with the Clyde - Magic Johnson matchup. I really wanted to see a completely fine player like Clyde with a down-to-earth personality and ego move into the area that Isaiah Thomas, MJ, and Magic populated, but it became apparent to me that an oversize ego was an essential element and I had to change my mind and give up the idea that Clyde was capable of playing at that level and still be the good human being that he appeared to be.
I came of age in the Celtic era of Bill Russell and I think that made me yearn to see underdogs triumph. I liked Clyde, my earlier basketball hero George Gervin of San Antonio, somewhat the same kind of player, lots of talent who was happy to see his teammates do well, would step up and carry the team when he had to, but he seemed to know it was not really good for anyone.
Zebras
Submitted by stevenl on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 4:27am.I have heard that
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 9:29am.I must keep a list somewehre
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 11:39am.but in the last 15 years of so I've made fundamental shifts regarding...
But I still believe Oswald acted aone and while a zebra may be "ridden," it is not domesticated and remains a far cry from a good horse.
Thanks
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 12:08pm.Rob and I agree on that one and Clyde Drexler
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 12:31pm.I suggest you and Rob re-visit the
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 1:26pm.Off topic for a moment
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 1:00pm.Pick up a Carcano rifle (any variant will do, they are more or less the same action) find an experienced rifleman(woman) and ask them if they can make the same number of aimed shots with it as fast as Oswald supposedly did.
As bolt action rifles go, they are as good as anything else fielded during WWII, although they cannot compare to say the Enfield or Mauser. But I would strongly question using one as it supposedly was on Kennedy.
Ok, sorry to get off topic here...
Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.
Your punishment for hijacking
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 1:02pm.Rob, I imagine he'll change his mind about one thing...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 1:42pm. »OMG... it's proof!
Submitted by Phil Owen on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 1:59pm.He must have been the guy on the grassy knoll!!!
:P
The Canaanite's Call
Oh my
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 6:08pm.The only time I have seen a bolt action rifle worked that quickly was a British Lee Enfield. So I have changed my mind on how quickly one can work a Carcano. That was an impressive video. The last three people I have talked to who owned and fired a carcano were not as good. I have owned a carcano, but never fired it.
Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.
I shot a few rounds with the short Mauser weapon
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 9:22pm.in the early 70s with a few friends who were enjoying a bottle of wine, watching tornadoes pass overhead and thinking about the accuracy of the various Mauser and Carcano rifles.
I couldn't hit anything with it using the sights, one of my friends could put together a decent group. I was never a great shot and that Mauser did nothing to fix that. I could usually hit a target with birdshot.
please take this to the other thread
Submitted by Rob Richards on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 9:58pm.S6, I am nodding agreement again
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 3:34pm.We agree on a lot of weapon issues. Save your Carcano experience for the right opportunity, but I will mention that if you put a poorly adjusted scope on the Carcano for weighting and assistance with the task of getting the bolt back and forth and them sight around the useless scope I sincerely believe you could hit a barn three times in less than 12 seconds. But we are definitely off topic and all I can say is gug started it.
and I am amused by your farming quote.
Love a good experiment
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 2:26pm.Hypothesis: One cannot accurately fire a Mannlicher-Carcano fast enough.
Null-hypothesis: One can accurately fire a Mannlicher-Cacano fast enough.
It appears we've failed to refute the null-hypothesis. And perhaps mind-changingly so.
go for it with the Carcano test, but do it on your own thread
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 3:39pm.on that topic. Maybe you can come back here later to admit to a change of mind on something new.
Always curious about the revolver discrepancy with the Officer Tippet shooting as well. Will save that for the JFK thread.
I think I was wrong about the put options and 9-11, so maybe I will change my mind on Oswald someday. For now, as Oswald stated, I think Oswald was a patsy.
Too late Mike
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 3:51pm.Oswald
Submitted by stevenl on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 3:53pm.Sorry Rob. My fault.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 01/28/2008 - 12:14am.